National Lockdown & RC Bashing

[Tony]

According to https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#exercising-and-meeting-other-people

 

"You can only leave your home to exercise, and not for the purpose of recreation or leisure"

 

So no RC bashing for a while.

 

But then the UK weather has been pretty crappy anyway! 😂

[m4inbrain]

Well.. Not bashing, but i still can go out with my crawlers and argue it counts as exercise (walking). No different between walking with my dog and walking with my Trail Finder 2. 

 

At least in wales with current rules, that's possible, albeit maybe a little bit of a grey zone. Especially since i'm away from streets etc, in the sticks, should be fine. Helps that there's a river trail right behind my house. 

Edited January 4, 2021 by m4inbrain

[Oh How Original]

Also to add to the above, what is safer, me walking through the middle of a field with an RC while I exercise, OR walk around the city/village streets amongst other people.

Safer for everyone if I am in the middle of a field and they can sod off  

[Lone-wolf]

This will always be a grey area, looks like the my planes are grounded yet again, but i also have access to some nice trails just a short walk from house out through "Gentleman Jack" Shibden valley

[Iain .R]

20 hours ago, Tony said:

According to https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#exercising-and-meeting-other-people

 

"You can only leave your home to exercise, and not for the purpose of recreation or leisure"

 

So no RC bashing for a while.

 

But then the UK weather has been pretty crappy anyway! 😂

Sod that iv just got my car working again and I use a empty works carpark near me . Anyway I was thinking of putting a toy dog on my carnage so if any fuzz see me I'm walking the dog  

[.AJ.]

If you get caught breaking the rules, please don’t mention this forum 

[Iain .R]

But officer /judge    MSUK said it was ok . I would not have done it if that hadn't said it was ok.     LOL 

[babylon]

1 hour ago, Iain .R said:

Sod that iv just got my car working again and I use a empty works carpark near me . Anyway I was thinking of putting a toy dog on my carnage so if any fuzz see me I'm walking the dog  

This is the problem, Whatever side of the fence you are on about lockdowns, The taking of our rights and all that, If lockdowns do or don't work, We all know what the rules and the laws are as of now,  So maybe if more people stopped looking for grey area's and thinking there being clever, we could all get out of this a bit quicker.

 I'm down in Kent and Tier 4, My little girl who is 11 has not seen any of her friends other than facetime for over a month solid, Not including all the stuff that has gone on before, She missed our 2 years in the waiting Disney holiday that was booked for 26th March 2020, Then February 2021, Now October 2022   She's now got another 6 weeks off being home alone with just grumpy me and her mum, And some days with none as we have to work.

 So if my little girl can do and lose all that, Is it asking much for some grown up men to not take out there toy cars for a while.

Edited January 5, 2021 by babylon

[Jens]

I would see it rather like that:

Walking is clearly an accepted form of exercise.

In fact, for many older people it is the only form of exercise.

 

It is nowhere stated how you walk or what you are allowed to do while walking.

As long as you keep walking/exercising.

 

I would guess then, that exercising (walking) with your RC car would still be acceptable.

A short stop for a rest would also be Ok.

However, standing somewhere and watch your car driving, would clearly be a violation. -> recreation.

 

On the other hand, if walking with your car would be considered recreation or pleasure, then even playing a game on your smartphone while walking would also be a violation.

 

For me I need to exercise at least 2 hours once a week because of my back pains.

I cannot run anymore, therefore I walk.

And to make this walk more bearable I do it with my son and the cars.

Then my son also gets his weekly exercise.

 

I would even go so far that I can still go with my son somewhere and kick the football.

Is this already sport (forbidden) or still exercise (permitted)?

 

I think there is a big grey area. Exercise/sport/recreation has never been clearly defined.

 

Edit: One thing is very clear for me and for many months: I stay far away from any other people. Zero socializing. I am too scared of catching the virus and passing it on to my father in my house.

Edited January 5, 2021 by Jens

[Iain .R]

I am all for the lock downs but it has to be everyone . This allowing Z listers celebs and ppl with money to come and go as they plz in and out of the country also ppl from other countrys allowed to come to the UK  while this is spreading   while every joe blogs and his family stuck in the house.  many business going down the pan . No if it's a lock down .LOCKDOWN everything.  Right back this time last year up to the 1st lock.down ppl was still flying in to the UK ALL THRO the lockdown .

I get what your saying with your little girl  iv got 3 kids . I know . 

I spent 5 months in my house in the 1st lock down due to my health conditions  I have had the letter saying I'm one the 1st to get this new jab when it's out in my area . 

So if I'm standing in an empty car park with my 2 kids who am I risking  as we drive out the garage  to the car park stand by the car  play( brake ) get back in the car drive home  which is less than 1/4 mile .  

Let's say all these nutters anti face mask ones wandering about Corbin for one .  ppl having partys.  Ppl who drive from Leeds to walk up mount Snowden. There are the ones need to be locked up!!!  fines dont do enough !!! 

 

[Tony]

3 minutes ago, Iain .R said:

who am I risking  as we drive out the garage  to the car park stand by the car  play( brake ) get back in the car drive home  which is less than 1/4 mile .  

 

It's not about the risk of mixing people. The main focus is the "Travelling" bit. The more people travel, the more chance of getting in an RTC, which means it will lead to resources being used up unnecessary (which can be avoided easily). What if they have to take you to a very busy & overcrowded hospital? Hospital that are full of COVID-19 people and they have to worry about you not to get it as well. It puts more pressure on them.

 

That's why the Gov is encouraging people to stay local, walk or cycle for exercise. And staying at home as much as you can in order to reduce the pressured resources.

[m4inbrain]

No, unnecessary travel isn't okay. What Tony mentioned there is absolutely correct, it's about a technical defect on your car, or an accident leading to you mixing with people. That's not a grey area, btw - that's illegal. This here is the grey area.

 

 

That's my garden fence there. I walk down there for exercise, at least every now and then. It makes no difference if i walk there by myself, or if i take my crawler with me. 

 

 

[turok007]

4 hours ago, m4inbrain said:

No, unnecessary travel isn't okay. What Tony mentioned there is absolutely correct, it's about a technical defect on your car, or an accident leading to you mixing with people. That's not a grey area, btw - that's illegal. This here is the grey area.

 

 

That's my garden fence there. I walk down there for exercise, at least every now and then. It makes no difference if i walk there by myself, or if i take my crawler with me. 

 

 

any type of fish in that river

[Jens]

7 hours ago, m4inbrain said:

No, unnecessary travel isn't okay. What Tony mentioned there is absolutely correct, it's about a technical defect on your car, or an accident leading to you mixing with people. That's not a grey area, btw - that's illegal. This here is the grey area.

I don't think that is a valid reason to avoid travelling.

Otherwise, a lot more activity would need to be banned.

Basically any activity where is a possibility that you need to call for help...

Like climbing on a ladder in your garden, because you could fall down and have to call the ambulance.

Seriously, that is what happened to my father during the first lockdown and he was hospitalized for 2 weeks with 10 broken ribs.

 

The real problem of travelling with the car is a shift of the population from one place to another and possible clustering at a popular spot.

It not only increases the risk of infection but also spreading the infections across a larger area.

 

From that point of view just driving around aimlessly would be ok from a pandemic point of view.

But surely not from an environmental view.

Also, when driving unnecessary you will need to visit a petrol station more often. There is a good chance of spreading the infection across an even larger area.

Hence, don't drive unless really needed.

 

But we need to keep the really valid reasons in our minds that people will understand.

 

 

[m4inbrain]

11 hours ago, turok007 said:

any type of fish in that river

 

I don't think so, i'm not a fishing kinda guy. 😕

 

8 hours ago, Jens said:

I don't think that is a valid reason to avoid travelling.

Otherwise, a lot more activity would need to be banned.

Basically any activity where is a possibility that you need to call for help...

Like climbing on a ladder in your garden, because you could fall down and have to call the ambulance.

Seriously, that is what happened to my father during the first lockdown and he was hospitalized for 2 weeks with 10 broken ribs.

 

Doesn't matter what you think. This is a reason used by the UK government (amongst the obvious spreading issue). The transmission from one area to the other happens in ASDA and Tesco, which you're allowed to drive to. 

 

In wales, there's soldiers driving ambulances because hospitals are creaking under the load and staff is sparse. Every call for an ambulance that you can prevent helps the hospital. And if it's a call because some idiot ignored the rules, then they should absolutely be prosecuted and charged for the effort. 

 

Don't take it from me though.

 

[mond]

One reason this has got so out of control is people are finding an excuse as to why they don't have to follow the rules themselves. While I firmly blame the idiots in charge of the UK for what's happened, it's compounded by people who think they are special. All every had to do was stay inside for a few weeks in March. But no, a minority had to go and ruin it for everyone. 

 

I'm particularly embarrised by the RC crowd as well. Seen videos from various bash groups in Kent and London flouting lockdown and social distancing. It won't have gone unnoticed by local councils either, which is a real shame because legitimate RC venues will pay the penality for this. 

[Jens]

15 hours ago, m4inbrain said:

Doesn't matter what you think. This is a reason used by the UK government (amongst the obvious spreading issue). The transmission from one area to the other happens in ASDA and Tesco, which you're allowed to drive to. 

 

In wales, there's soldiers driving ambulances because hospitals are creaking under the load and staff is sparse. Every call for an ambulance that you can prevent helps the hospital. And if it's a call because some idiot ignored the rules, then they should absolutely be prosecuted and charged for the effort. 

 

Don't take it from me though.

 

 

Never disagreed with you.

But it is always good to have bulletproof arguments when it comes discussing with someone that thinks the lockdown or some of the rules are not valid.

 

And yes, I also agree with you that supermarkets can be big spreaders. In the the current lockdown they are probably the biggest spreader now.

Firstly, the "climate" inside supermarkets are precisely controlled (to keep general freshness) and designed with cost efficiency.

Cost efficiency basically means that air exchange with the outside is kept at a minimum.

Something that supermarkets are now struggling to change, if they do it at all.

 

But what can we do about the supermarkets?

People need to buy food and eat...

 

[mydoddy69]

Break the rules don’t break the rules get caught pay the fine just don’t cry like a baby if you get a fat fine. The longer it takes for things to calm down the longer this goes on so it doesn’t matter what side your on the end goal is pretty much the same we want out of this situation. Makes more sense to me to follow a few simple rules for a few weeks months rather than it dragging on for years but hey I said this back at the start and it’s already almost a year now ! You can blame the government cry about your rights it makes no difference the only thing that will is if we pull together and make a change exploit the rules find the grey ares find work around dig your heals in your just making it worse but hey if that’s what makes you happy you crack on just stop moaning it’s taking long as that’s on you 👍

[Jens]

Right.

Don't exploit the rules but exploit the possibilities to stop the spreading!

If your exploitation goes beyond the rules, go beyond:

• Shop from home as much as possible. If not, visit nearby supermarkets instead of the big ones. The smaller and more local the better.
• Work from home as much as possible (put pressure on your employer if needed).
• Make GP appointments by phone if possible.
• Have your medication delivered by the pharmacy instead of going there.
• Do your outside exercise only when needed and go when you can be alone. And do it in a nearby area instead of far away. We are in a very green country with of local parks nearby.
• Socialise a lot, but only by phone/message/zoom/skype/etc.
• Avoid public transport if you must go out. Walk/cycle/drive instead.

I perfected this in the last 10 months and the family leaves the house only twice a week for our 2 hourly walk/exercise.

( Apart from the daily hour in our garden )

Only for those 2 walks I consider taking the RC cars along. With or without RC cars doesn't make any difference for me.

 

[r4nd0m]

On 07/01/2021 at 10:23, Jens said:

Right.

Don't exploit the rules but exploit the possibilities to stop the spreading!

If your exploitation goes beyond the rules, go beyond:

• Shop from home as much as possible. If not, visit nearby supermarkets instead of the big ones. The smaller and more local the better.
• Work from home as much as possible (put pressure on your employer if needed).
• Make GP appointments by phone if possible.
• Have your medication delivered by the pharmacy instead of going there.
• Do your outside exercise only when needed and go when you can be alone. And do it in a nearby area instead of far away. We are in a very green country with of local parks nearby.
• Socialise a lot, but only by phone/message/zoom/skype/etc.
• Avoid public transport if you must go out. Walk/cycle/drive instead.

I perfected this in the last 10 months and the family leaves the house only twice a week for our 2 hourly walk/exercise.

( Apart from the daily hour in our garden )

Only for those 2 walks I consider taking the RC cars along. With or without RC cars doesn't make any difference for me.

 

so did a friend, and she was so afraid that she even washed and cleaned her deliveries every time they were delivered, only ordering stuff in additional packaging ... she and the family didnt leave their premises and still she caught it 2 weeks ago ...

[Oh How Original]

If everything was actually as it seemed, the total death figure overall would be massively higher than it is.

Masks would have been made law right at the start, even though they aren't really doing anything, you are still breathing, your breath still flows through the mask and around the sides, you still touch things others have touched etc...

International travel would have been stopped completely right from the start, if planes were grounded in China for a month or something, it wouldn't have spread.

Before quoting what the government is telling you, actually think about what is going on, really think it through.

Do your own research, I won't post any links or my opinion on any of the research, but it is out there with overwhelming evidence if people would take a few minutes to look for it and read up on it.

[Bajadre]

am lucky i have a massive abandon airfield across the road so can take the truggy for a walk with the dog

[Jens]

1 hour ago, r4nd0m said:

so did a friend, and she was so afraid that she even washed and cleaned her deliveries every time they were delivered, only ordering stuff in additional packaging ... she and the family didnt leave their premises and still she caught it 2 weeks ago ...

I wouldn't go as far as washing the deliveries...

But yeah, you can only reduce the risk, but impossible to eliminate.

 

41 minutes ago, Oh How Original said:

If everything was actually as it seemed, the total death figure overall would be massively higher than it is.

ONS published today the numbers for 2020. They seem to match quite well. At least for me.

 

[Iain .R]

2 hours ago, r4nd0m said:

so did a friend, and she was so afraid that she even washed and cleaned her deliveries every time they were delivered, only ordering stuff in additional packaging ... she and the family didnt leave their premises and still she caught it 2 weeks ago ...

Bummer.  Hope shes ok . No lasting  effects.  

[Iain .R]

I think all these anti mask ones need to be locked up or made to work 48 hrs in a covid ward watching ppl die   then might grow a brain cell and help the rest of us to beat this . Same goes for non mask wears and conspiracy nutters...