Team Associated RIVAL MT10 Monster Truck

[m4inbrain]

Hobbywing stuff is mid range, i'd argue. Their top spec stuff is expensive (the Max stuff etc), but also proven. Their WP SC8 etc (got one of those too) aren't too expensive and still are great little ESCs. 

 

Castle, Orion etc are imho more expensive afair, not sure about Speed Passion and Tekin. I think Tekin is up there, too.

[Paul Busby]

10 minutes ago, m4inbrain said:

Hobbywing stuff is mid range, i'd argue. Their top spec stuff is expensive (the Max stuff etc), but also proven. Their WP SC8 etc (got one of those too) aren't too expensive and still are great little ESCs. 

 

Castle, Orion etc are imho more expensive afair, not sure about Speed Passion and Tekin. I think Tekin is up there, too.

Yeah Tekin is quite pricey. There was some tempting offers on RCMart for the Gen 2 stuff over christmas (they're on Gen 3 now).

[babylon]

1 hour ago, m4inbrain said:

Hobbywing stuff is mid range, i'd argue. Their top spec stuff is expensive (the Max stuff etc), but also proven. Their WP SC8 etc (got one of those too) aren't too expensive and still are great little ESCs. 

 

Castle, Orion etc are imho more expensive afair, not sure about Speed Passion and Tekin. I think Tekin is up there, too.

I would have to argue that Hobbywing is well above mid range, I can't say, And nor can anyone else to be honest, How an ESC is classed as top tier or middle,, In the early days no one would recommend anything other than Castle, Even tho there reliability was no better, Or arguably worse than Hobbywing.

 At this moment in time I would put Hobbywing above castle, When was the last time anyone, Even around here,Recommended a Mamba.  

 Tekin has always been expensive, Dose that mean good, Not going by the ifmar ESC table, I believe Novak went out of business a few years ago, And what with them being American and many winners being American may account for so many wins, But since them days it's been a bit of a mish mash, With Hobbywing being the 2019 winners in both classes in different car, With different drivers.

 So we have pretty much everyone using a Max ESC of some sort around here, Almost every manufacturer using them as an OEM, And they have just won the World Championship.

 I'd say they have done enough to be classed as good as anyone else in the business.

ESC[edit] 

2WD[edit] Rank Manufacturer Wins 1  Novak Electronics 5 2  LRP Electronic 3 3  KO Propo 2  Team Orion 5  GM Racing 1  Nosram  CS Electronic  Reedy  HobbyWing

4WD[edit]

Rank	Manufacturer	Wins
1	Novak Electronics	5
2	LRP Electronic	4
3	KO Propo	2
4	Tekin	1
	Team Orion
	CS Electronic
	HobbyWing

 

Edited January 17, 2020 by babylon

[m4inbrain]

We were talking prices, fnknan said HW stuff is pretty expensive. 

 

I said, it's mid range (prices), with their top tier systems (Max 8, 6,5 etc) being up there in price. Everything we were talking about was in regards to prices - no need to tell me that HW stuff is good, almost exclusively everything i buy myself (meaning, stuff that doesn't come with an RTR/used RC that i'm buying - apart from things like the DBXL-E which basically comes with a rebranded HW, "ish") is hobbywing since i personally never had a single issue with a system of them. Not any system btw, not just Max systems (as mentioned, my WP SC8 does great).

 

Even my crawlers (three of them) all run exclusively hobbywing ESCs (but holmes brushed motors). 

 

As i said: we were talking prices, not quality. 

 

edit: the Mamba X still gets recommended as one of the best sensored brushless crawler ESC though. 

edit2: that said, my Speed Passion Reventon sensored thingie (don't even know which one exactly it is, came with my SC10.2 used with god how many miles on it, around 2000 miles judging by the condition of the shell etc) is to this day going strong too, so my only experience with Speed Passion was great too.

Edited January 17, 2020 by m4inbrain

[fnknan]

Castle motors aren't that expensive anymore. Especially used. I got my 1515 for £25 and I've seen 1512s new for about £30-35. The escs are a different matter though. The amount of power that 1515 has is madness

Edited January 17, 2020 by fnknan

[Paul Busby]

28 minutes ago, fnknan said:

Castle motors aren't that expensive anymore. Especially used. I got my 1515 for £25 and I've seen 1512s new for about £30-35. The escs are a different matter though. The amount of power that 1515 has is madness

Those arent the real ones mate, they're copies.

[babylon]

Think I'm a bit of a Hobbywing  fanboy, When it comes to bashing I don't feel there is any reason to use anything else  Never had any sort of problem with Hobbywing, I will agree that there prices have crept up over the years, But that's something not to be surprised at with recognition and market share.

 

[babylon]

1 hour ago, Paul Busby said:

Those arent the real ones mate, they're copies.

 Yer, I've got one of them 1512's,  If your just bashing, I think a motor is a motor and there all much the same. No need to pay much more than 30 quid these days.

Don't get why they don't just give them some fancy colour and sell them under there own name, If you know this hobby enough to be looking for a Castle motor, Then your know these are knock off's.

[fnknan]

1 hour ago, Paul Busby said:

Those arent the real ones mate, they're copies.

Yeah just did some research. At least my 1515's real

[Tug]

Only ever remember one Xerun fire, quite a good one too! I almost miss the days of a good flare up! Don't see em so much now. 

 

Got a genuine Neu 1515 and 1512, nice kit, but wouldn't bother with the expense again, just go budget brand and when it's blown, bin it. 

 

This thread is all over the place. 

[fnknan]

7 minutes ago, babylon said:

 Yer, I've got one of them 1512's,  If your just bashing, I think a motor is a motor and there all much the same. No need to pay much more than 30 quid these days.

Don't get why they don't just give them some fancy colour and sell them under there own name, If you know this hobby enough to be looking for a Castle motor, Then your know these are knock off's.

Evidently I don't 😂😂

[Daddyroo]

And the last mention of the subject of this thread was how many pages back..... 

[babylon]

18 minutes ago, Daddyroo said:

And the last mention of the subject of this thread was how many pages back..... 

Obviously not squared up on how a forum thread works, Yes they go off topic, But then people get answers to questions they may never have asked,  fnjnan's bubble has been burst by learning  his 1512 is fake, I found out that Hobbywing won ifmar this year and that Novak is no more.

 So three things have been learned by an undisclosed number of people,  Some or all of no use to some people, But none of no use to all people. 

Edited January 17, 2020 by babylon

[fnknan]

Well not my 1512, just some random one on eBay. My 1515 was used so it's gonna be cheaper 

 

But yeah this topic got sidetracked a bit 😂

[Paul Busby]

No point stopping now [emoji38]

I might be testing my fake 1518 today so we'll see how that one does.

[tomr]

On 15/01/2020 at 19:46, m4inbrain said:

Found in a different news article: it's a 1/10, but the SCT kind of 1/10, not the usual 1/10. 

 

Scale: 1:10
Power: Electric
Length: 507mm (20.0”)
Width: 325mm (12.8”)
Weight: 2.80kg (6.1 lb)
Wheelbase: 225mm (8.86”)
Transmission Ratio: 2.85.1

 

It's 51cm long, making it a direct competitor to the Traxxas Maxx.

 

You can get two of these for one Maxx, ffs. 

 

I had the Helion version not a bad truck but size wise it's noticeably smaller than an Arrma Granite so quite a bit smaller than a Maxx 

[m4inbrain]

6 minutes ago, tomr said:

 

I had the Helion version not a bad truck but size wise it's noticeably smaller than an Arrma Granite so quite a bit smaller than a Maxx 

 

The Maxx is 55cm, some of that (though, less than on the Rival) is wheelie bar.

 

I get what you mean though, the wheelbase of the Maxx is considerably longer, so you're not wrong. Still, the Maxx is nowhere near worth twice the price.

 

 

[capri-boy]

Love how a 'brand' name pops on a rig and it's very much more desired.  That said the price is fantastic - looks like they made the sensible decision not to go with the 120a 4S electrics too - just too much for the chassis.

 

 

[fnknan]

I guess it's because parts support will be better with named brands. Named brands aren't gonna rebrand an absolutely garbage truck too. So it's gonna be half decent I assume

[m4inbrain]

26 minutes ago, capri-boy said:

Love how a 'brand' name pops on a rig and it's very much more desired.  That said the price is fantastic - looks like they made the sensible decision not to go with the 120a 4S electrics too - just too much for the chassis.

 

 

 

That's not really surprising though. The Atom 6s recently is another example, i wouldn't buy it coming from some chinese company - not knowing if the parts are available reasonably. If you get a brand name behind something, you also get the distributor (which is, to me, the big reason why it is more desirable), making parts supply better. 

 

Hobbyking RCs aren't bad because they're "no name", they're bad because once they break, they stay broken, because you can't get parts.

 

edit, hobbyking not hobbywing

 

 

Edited January 18, 2020 by m4inbrain

[babylon]

36 minutes ago, capri-boy said:

Love how a 'brand' name pops on a rig and it's very much more desired.  That said the price is fantastic - looks like they made the sensible decision not to go with the 120a 4S electrics too - just too much for the chassis.

 

 

Exactly what I said at the start of the FTX DR8 news thread, We'er very quick to forgive poor design and quality on the big name brands with a hopup here and bit of Alloy there,  But to suggest we do the same with something from Banggood and the likes is blasphemous talk.

 As an FS Racing it's  an alright, But probably not, As an FTX sold by Modelsport it's a 'Ooh , I like that'.

An a Helion it's another alright but not for me, But with that Associated badge👍, I bet if you stuck a Thunder Tiger,Kyosho  or HPI badge on any of them HobbyTech cars they would get more of a look in than they do, As they all look pretty good.

This is why I still have my Berserker and a brand new one still in it's box, But at the other end why I have a brand new ECX Ruckus with a 10 minute old stripped gearbox that's not fit for purpose. 

 Just to add, I would like to know if ECX are still selling there trucks with that cheese geared gearbox, If so, They should be ashamed, Along with being taken to court for crimes against the hobby and misrepresentation of a gearbox. 

Edited January 18, 2020 by babylon

[PraetoR]

Seriously considering this, as a replacement for my 2WD Pro-Line Pro-MT.

 

Looks fantastic, but I'm never a fan of plastic driveshafts, especially on a 3s machine. Anyone comment on the Helion's durability?

[mydoddy69]

4 hours ago, PraetoR said:

Seriously considering this, as a replacement for my 2WD Pro-Line Pro-MT.

 

Looks fantastic, but I'm never a fan of plastic driveshafts, especially on a 3s machine. Anyone comment on the Helion's durability?

 Go for it fella 

 

From what I remember the Helion version was a tough little cookie but sadly parts support let it down and the electric where a bit hit and miss but those shouldn’t be a problem with this 

 

Lol same old same old new monster truck new x amount of pages half of which have no real input into what the news article is about, you have to love this place 😂😂

[Kukynas]

4 hours ago, PraetoR said:

Seriously considering this, as a replacement for my 2WD Pro-Line Pro-MT.

 

Looks fantastic, but I'm never a fan of plastic driveshafts, especially on a 3s machine. Anyone comment on the Helion's durability?

 

no issues with plastic driveshafts so far, you can always upgrade to metal CVDs (original or MIP) later if you decide, few issue I've seen or heard of so far, cracked front skid plate after harsh landing/bashing (also mentioned in the video posted at the beginning) which is easy to replace and cost nothing https://wheelspinmodels.co.uk/i/299099/  and wheelie bar under same conditions but Rival MT seems to have more robust one so should be OK

[babylon]

54 minutes ago, mydoddy69 said:

Lol same old same old new monster truck new x amount of pages half of which have no real input into what the news article is about, you have to love this place 😂😂

 

Well, If we only talk about a truck that no one has, Touched, Seen, Smelt or used, Then it will all be guesstimates and made up stuff, If we only talk about a truck that no one has, Touched, Seen, Smelt or used,  It will be about 5 reply's long and dead.

 

 If you only ever talk about the thing that's in the thread title, Or just answer the question and no more, Then we'er have say a 1000 threads and 1000 answers.

If you want it to be strict about it, Then just bring the For Sale rules over, Can you imagine that,  Can you imagine suddenly going off thread and thinking to yourself that you better stop talking, What a great social place that would be, If it gets to the point that I can't have a talk,  A good natured argument or disagreement with someone like I'm in the pub, Then I may as well learn how to use Facebook and go over there, Cos it's not like my house is full of people that love this hobby like I do..

 

Rant over, Until the next time.