Frederik Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Hi all, I started a build a whike ago on other forums, and thought you guys (who actually had these on your side of the pond!) might be interested to see what I spend my hobby time on currently For full thread of the evolution of the project and all my thoughts process (including almost starting from scratch a couple times) see this thread at scale4x4rc.org.http://www.scale4x4rc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73820 The pivtures below are the first steps of the project (without text) just to get you up to speed on the build you will see I changed almost everything at least once 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Frederik Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 I made the second frame rail, and bolted them to the floor pan. I also made a hole for axle so it does not interfere when I do the suspension: The space between the frame rails is exactly the space required between the two link boxes, I slit the floor where the boxes will be (dremel): Then knocked out the pieces: I cut the 4 link boxes and bent everything to shape: And used the existing frame bolts to hold them, note there will be a reinforcement in front of the boxes: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederik Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 I made the second links box and made one of the lower links attachments to the frame. That allowed me to actually mount the axle and I did some more mock ups and test the four links with the new chassis. Did I say I was glad I re-did the chassis that way? I am starting to like how it looks! Some comparison pics I mounted my machined F104 wheel in the back and it looks like it will fit! with a slight fender pull. Not that it is the most scale correct wheel and tire but it is a different style and I would like to be able to swap styles easily. I see these tires as a nice drag setup, with very narrow front wheels. Or a kind of time attack car with big slicks all around. Of course I still keep the original idea that this will mainly be a rally car a la Simon McKinley and dirt rally style. I trimmed the body approximately. It looks like retroracing will never ever respond and send me my back half like they promised, so that one will have to do. Thrown some wheels and tires for the pics. I should have an actual update tomorrow I completed the body trimming (front half) and bolted it to the rear half. Also I made the second bottom link mount, with a much better design. Instead of being awkwardly facing front, they would have been torn on the first rock 1st version: New version: And a poser shot Better view of the trimmed front and shell bolted (with temporary bolts) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Frederik Posted October 23, 2014 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2014 Small update! It did not end up like I wanted but I made the watt's linkage. First I mounted a screw in the back bearings of the sdi axle, and made a small pivot out of sheetmetal. Then made the supports, one with brake line and other with aluminum L bar. I also made one of the shock mounts at the chassis. Problem is I positioned it hanging too low, the taller one would hit the ground before the suspension fully compressed, it does not make sense with the car and ride height (I need to put it like 0.5 / 0.75" higher). But you get the picture, I will do two new brackets, shorter. I would have liked to do more and complete the shocks mounts but didnt have time. Thats it for now, hope you guys like it! Fred 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederik Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 So that is where I am at as of today Oct. 22nd. This progress was done over maybe a year, I cannot put a whole lot of time on the project, just a few hours here and there, so progress is slow. I will keep this up to date with my progress! (I often work on this on Tuesday night, so I post an update at like midnight Quebec-Canada time lol) Fred 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Fred, welcome to the Forum. Thanks for sharing that - it's a fantastic build. YOU CAN'T LEAVE IT THERE!! Keep us updated. Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover Man Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 fantastic work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-BEZ- Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Awesome project! Top work ..... It's so rare to see something that's scratch built and has obviously had hundreds of hours of time put into it. I'm sure I wont be alone saying I look forward to seeing this masterpiece when you have finished the build. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capri-boy Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Great work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibo Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Amazing build,well done.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCbutcher Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Thats a serious build mate, awesome work glad you shared it here i hope some take inspiration from it. If i ever got something like this it would stay on a shelf tho. Ide love to see a car show shoot out old cars from different countrys, one ide love to see is the mustang vs capri both mk1 and the mk2s. What was America's version of the escort mk1-2 i saw they have something really similar to the escort mk3 from the movie 8mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederik Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Thank you all for your comments! I just paid for photobucket monthly, apparently in a couple of days I busted the bandwidth limit ! (16gb on 10gb) The pics were briefily not available but that should be thing of the past now. Also I tried to multiquote your replies but I was not able to, did not find the overall Quote button after selecting all the multiquotes. I can assure you it will not be a shelf queen! I can't wait to have it sliding around corners and taking slight air, but I will definitely drive safe, kind of like an actual car which you dont want to crash I guess hahaha (less the fear to kill yourself too lol) With the weight I think it is going to handle pretty realistically, with body roll and squat. Thanks all!! Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederik Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Thats a serious build mate, awesome work glad you shared it here i hope some take inspiration from it. If i ever got something like this it would stay on a shelf tho. Ide love to see a car show shoot out old cars from different countrys, one ide love to see is the mustang vs capri both mk1 and the mk2s. What was America's version of the escort mk1-2 i saw they have something really similar to the escort mk3 from the movie 8mile. Thanks!! I did not see the movie, but I google searched and it seems what you are talking about might be a third gen Chevrolet Camaro or pontiac Firebird / Transam. These were relatively small cars (maybe not Escort small but pretty small) and came with V8s (probably some V6 too), I am no chevy expert but I think they came with the popular GM motors like 327ci and 396ci, probably the 427ci too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammy Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Wow. Just wow. Great work!!! Next update asap!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamiyacowboy Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Awesome handcrafting. i notice your going with a 4 bar link on the rear axle. with the crude rear sway stabilizing. the mk1 and mk2 fords ran on springed leaf rear solids, a set of leaf springs clamped to the underside of the solid axle. then a two bar link system was added , these were fairly close to the axles pumpkin on either side and linked to the chassis pan . it meant racers could add swaybars in a more easy the more usual way ( small link rod to the sway bar system ). have a look at the tamiya 1/14th scale leaf springs , i think they could work well in your build and give you that escort drive feel , you can still keep the tunneling all you loose is the two upper link bars and keep the lower two. a couple fabricated leaf spring couplers on each side fore aft chassis pan to hold some tamiya leaf springs inplace. just a couple ideas to help you free up that rear end and give you a very escort like drive and squat feel. here is a great source of pictures for a escort mk2 1600 race car. mid way down is some fantastic images of the rear leaf spring setup and also the two link system. ( have seen V8 powered MK2's maybe a plastic engine model to run under the hood ) http://www.britishracecar.com/WalterDavies-Ford-EscortRS1600.htm Edited October 23, 2014 by Tamiyacowboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavyleftthumb Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 just wow. love the old school escorts pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederik Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Wow. Just wow. Great work!!! Next update asap!!! Haha thanks!! I will try to get you guys addicted to the thread lol Awesome handcrafting. i notice your going with a 4 bar link on the rear axle. with the crude rear sway stabilizing. the mk1 and mk2 fords ran on springed leaf rear solids, a set of leaf springs clamped to the underside of the solid axle. then a two bar link system was added , these were fairly close to the axles pumpkin on either side and linked to the chassis pan . it meant racers could add swaybars in a more easy the more usual way ( small link rod to the sway bar system ). have a look at the tamiya 1/14th scale leaf springs , i think they could work well in your build and give you that escort drive feel , you can still keep the tunneling all you loose is the two upper link bars and keep the lower two. a couple fabricated leaf spring couplers on each side fore aft chassis pan to hold some tamiya leaf springs inplace. just a couple ideas to help you free up that rear end and give you a very escort like drive and squat feel. here is a great source of pictures for a escort mk2 1600 race car. mid way down is some fantastic images of the rear leaf spring setup and also the two link system. ( have seen V8 powered MK2's maybe a plastic engine model to run under the hood )http://www.britishracecar.com/WalterDavies-Ford-EscortRS1600.htm Thanks Tamiyacowboy, I appreciate the comments and suspension talk! And that link you posted is very nice, I saw it previously too while looking for reference pics for my build.These escorts came OEM with leaf springs and I did saw some hybrid setups of 4 links + leaf + panhard rod, but I am more after the aftermarket rally 4 link with watts linkage and coil springs, I really want to accomplish that on this project. I will likely do a leaf sprung setup in a next project though. In your link, it looks to me as if they all have full 4 link plus leaf, I do not see an example of what you describe, lower links close to pumpkin + leaf. Maybe in the scenario you describe they put links close to the pumpkin to form a trianglulation, and eliminate the panhard? If you are talking about this picture, it looks to me as if there is also an upper link, i.e. full 4 link setup:http://www.britishracecar.com/WalterDavies-Ford-EscortRS1600/WalterDavies-Ford-EscortRS1600-DD.jpgHere is a 1:1 pic of the setup I am doing, I am not exactly scale in size of components, but more in concepts:I am not sure I understand what you mean with the sway bar stabilizing though, I currently do not have any sway bar in the rear actually (maybe that Edited October 24, 2014 by Frederik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistonhead Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Watching this with great interest. It's a real breath of fresh air when someone does a scratch build. And i love the old school escorts. Any thoughts on where the battery and electrics will be hidden? And i'm assuming you'll be fabricating a scale engine to hide the motor too. Keep up the good work man Edited October 23, 2014 by Pistonhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
53HRA Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 This is awesome mate. Top work,do keep the thread updated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederik Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Watching this with great interest. It's a real breath of fresh air when someone does a scratch build. And i love the old school escorts. Any thoughts on where the battery and electrics will be hidden? And i'm assuming you'll be fabricating a scale engine to hide the motor too. Keep up the good work man Thanks! I am kind of a noob to custom and scale building, this is my 1st custom RC in such small scale, certainly my first project with any sort of scale aspect to it, so I do not have the knowledge for custom styrene work, let alone for what I am doing right now lol I like to call this a "somewhat mechanically scale" build I might try to wrap the motor and gearbox in some easily shapeable material . I will start with the rough mechanical aspect, chassis and all, and I will refine as I go forward. The servos and receiver should not be too big of a deal, I can camouflage them as toolbox or some other thing, battery is different though. Especially with a driveshaft tunnel on the floor, I might have to slit open a battery pack and put 3 cells on each side, hidden as front seats maybe? I will have a micro servo to hide for the front disc brakes too, probably under the hood where the brake master cylinder would be This is awesome mate. Top work,do keep the thread updated Thanks you !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederik Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 I got a back up shell from a buddy, in case the mk2 breaks, or just because, to swap styles I was glad to see it seems to fit pretty well on my chassis!! For those not familiar with this car it is an MK1 ford Escort. I mocked up F104 tires in the rear fender and it looks hot, might have to do a drag setup with the mk1 with these f104 tires abd skinny tires up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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