chewbacca Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Oh How Original said: Plus isn't it right that it's not too good to actually spin the motor with a pinion connected when it's not all switched on? I remember the joys of trying to work on one in my bedroom... That was 'fun' Yup. That was the point I was trying to make lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Oh How Original said: Plus isn't it right that it's not too good to actually spin the motor with a pinion connected when it's not all switched on? I remember the joys of trying to work on one in my bedroom... That was 'fun' Not sure I follow, if you're referring to the "don't spin up an unloaded motor" rule, then you're correct. This generally refers to running a motor of the brushless variety without a pinion, this can over-rev the motor and cause the magnets to debond. That would only happen on high voltages. As for dragging a brushless car, I don't know if that's harmful to any part of the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh How Original Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Just now, Tug said: Not sure I follow, if you're referring to the "don't spin up an unloaded motor" rule, then you're correct. This generally refers to running a motor of the brushless variety without a pinion, this can over-rev the motor and cause the magnets to debond. That would only happen on high voltages. As for dragging a brushless car, I don't know if that's harmful to any part of the car. No no, I know that bits true, I read on a thread a couple of months back on here a couple of people having a debate on if it's actually wise to drag a brushless vehicle, spinning the motor up and sending current to the ESC, or amps, or whichever you'd call it. I can't remember who it was now, because I actually thought it was you lol, but obviously not, it might have been Noj? (sure he can clarify) if not then I can't remember who but it was a well known member. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, Oh How Original said: No no, I know that bits true, I read on a thread a couple of months back on here a couple of people having a debate on if it's actually wise to drag a brushless vehicle, spinning the motor up and sending current to the ESC, or amps, or whichever you'd call it. I can't remember who it was now, because I actually thought it was you lol, but obviously not, it might have been Noj? (sure he can clarify) if not then I can't remember who but it was a well known member. Yes, that I remember, I was in that conversation. I don't think there was a definitive answer as to "should you" or "shouldn't you", I still do it, no harm done yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh How Original Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Yeah I can't remember either but I definitely remember some people saying they avoid doing it in case. I can't imagine it's too good for it, even if it's just for the sake of wearing the motor out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Rover Man said: Now i could be 100% wrong here but seem to remember something ive seen on tv or read. If you spin a motor with no power does it not act as a basic type of dynamo ??? If so if you pull if far enough your battery would be recharged . Worth looking in to by one of the leccy guru's lol I asked this same question on this very forum. The consensus of opinion was that yes, the can would create a small, generating effect, ergo should be disconnected from the ESC when pulling it. At no point was re-charging of packs considered. RM, maybe you're onto summat.... Doorways, however do not become any easier to navigate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, Oh How Original said: Yeah I can't remember either but I definitely remember some people saying they avoid doing it in case. I can't imagine it's too good for it, even if it's just for the sake of wearing the motor out. Let's be honest, how far does anyone drag a car to get to a bash? It can't be more than a couple of hundred yards at most? Any more than that and I just drive it. I've got "limp home" cells for getting to and from bash sites, that saves the bash packs for bashing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh How Original Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Agreed, but over time, it must have some effect. Possibly... Maybe.... Don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted April 19, 2016 Author Share Posted April 19, 2016 Right, no ramping, but tonight was the first drive in anger. Same set-up as before; Hobbywing Max5, 8S, Leopard 58110, 520KV motor. The motor did hit 65C, but I can live with that. There's a vid uploading, it's poor, but it's something. Speed feels fine for a car this big, so I'm not too bothered about numbers at the mo. The suspension really needs sorting, it's so over-damped. I'll need to stock up on oils. Other than that, what a drive! These things are awesome! Such a composed machine! I'll pop back with the vid and any other thoughts in a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted April 19, 2016 Author Share Posted April 19, 2016 Oh, forgot to say, the 8000 Zippys managed approximately 15 minutes from storage, quite chuffed with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted April 19, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2016 This really is shockingly poor filming, sorry about that, but it's something. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh How Original Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 That speed looks spot on, as you say for something that size, you're not going for any speed records, so for bashing, it looks really good. 65C also isn't too dramatic, still got some room there, plus it's bound to be a touch higher given the warm weather. Looks grand Mr Tug! now we need to see it ramped! Oh and that shell looks sweeeet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted April 19, 2016 Author Share Posted April 19, 2016 Cheers, it's about right for me. Temps aren't a concern at the moment, but I've swapped down to an 18 tooth because the 19 that came with the conversion kit was horrible. It's hollow in the back and this allows a tiny amount of wobble on the rotor, which is not good. I'll test the 18 to get another baseline to go with the 19 temps, then test again when the 21 tooth arrives. I didn't do the shell, but it's not a bad look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh How Original Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Aye it's something a bit different to the usual KTM or OBR wraps lol, I like it anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted April 19, 2016 Author Share Posted April 19, 2016 I'm liking the red ally parts, accentuated by the red Leopard motor, so I might try doing my own red fibre wrap to try and compliment it. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh How Original Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Nooooooooo don't go carbon wrap! don't ruin it now lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Looks fine as it is, and goes well. A 'satin C/F look' could give it a stealthy look I suppose. I was just imagining how popular you would have been if you'd have kept it as you'd received it and were running it up and down there!! Don't think you'd have stayed there for long!! Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 Maybe a hydro dip? Dunno, just focusing on the mechanics of it for now. Aesthetics can wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatteh316 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Tug said: Maybe a hydro dip? Dunno, just focusing on the mechanics of it for now. Aesthetics can wait. I would worry about diffs next, thick centre diff oil should improve off the line performance and remember that the ring and pinion gear in the front and rear gear boxes are not greased and are running dry. If you're going to be running decent torque through them I would grease them asap to ensure they last, I stripped mine down last week and there's no signs of wear but I greased mine more or less right away. And the center CVD boots don't have any grease either so maybe an idea to plop a bit in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpmart Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Very good... That goes better than I thought it would.... never mind the poor camera, it's the driving that was shockingly bad... LOL Edited April 20, 2016 by Carpmart 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 39 minutes ago, scatteh316 said: I would worry about diffs next, thick centre diff oil should improve off the line performance and remember that the ring and pinion gear in the front and rear gear boxes are not greased and are running dry. If you're going to be running decent torque through them I would grease them asap to ensure they last, I stripped mine down last week and there's no signs of wear but I greased mine more or less right away. And the center CVD boots don't have any grease either so maybe an idea to plop a bit in Cheers, I've got some "red and tacky", that suitable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 20 minutes ago, Carpmart said: Very good... That goes better than I thought it would.... never mind the poor camera, it's the driving that was shockingly bad... LOL Once the camera was off, I was able to focus on one thing, driving! So it improved immeasurably! Honest! Stop laughing! It really did! You'll see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz! Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Looks awesome and as already said, good speed for bashing. whats happening with the petrol bits? I wouldn't mind buying the air filter cover if it comes available? following with interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatteh316 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 51 minutes ago, Tug said: Cheers, I've got some "red and tacky", that suitable? That'll be more then enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Still a little tame for my tastes, get it geared up man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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