Hobbywing Xmaxx

[Mykisme]

GUYS PLEASE HELP,

 

I have searched everywhere and have no answers that make sense to me! i might just be a bit special about it but still do not have full clarity!😑

 

I do not understand why i can or can not run a Max6 ESC with the 4985 size, Hobbywing / Ezrun 56113 800KV motor?

Hobbywing sell the motor as a combo, but only with a Max5 although the Max6 limits are all in the boundaries of the motors capabilities. 

am i right in thinking if i run this set up in my Xmaxx the motor will be more that happy (depending on gear ratio) as the motor can handle much more than the ESC can provide?

 

i would assume there would be less load on the motor and keep all running temps right down?

i have run the stock 8s motor with the max6 for sometime although i let it exceed maximum temps and the motor magnets shattered to bits and its ceased right up, Gutted!

 

so now as i have noticed all these guys running 4985 size motors or larger than stock,  do not seem to run cooling for the motor only ESC.

ive searched so much and evaluated circumstances and finances resulting in the now must have choice of this hobbywing big boy! but i am not looking to buy it, a motor mount and mod 1.5 gears for the set up to fail.

 

so in a nut shell i want to run the Max6 ESC The 56113 800KV motor no cooling on mod 1.5 gears with a ratio similar too mod 1, 19/46 ??? this is a power gear for myself and the overheating with it is just silly, probs why the stock motor mashed! (insufficient cooling fans too)

mod 1.5, 25/35 seems madness to me though yoo?? 

 

any help would be epic thanks for taking the time :)

 

Mike 

 

 P.S   User Manuals below.

 

https://www.hobbywing.com/products/enpdf/EzRunMAX5-MAX6.pdf 

https://www.hobbywing.com/products/enpdf/EZRUN4985.pdf

[mydoddy69]

Can’t be done you need the max 5 the 800kv draws more power than the max6 can handle 

 

 

[Mykisme]

Hey man, thanks very much for your reply i have recently found this out 🙄  i cant decide on a set up now, scrap the max6??

 

do you have a xmaxx? share your set up please bro?

 

 

[mydoddy69]

26 minutes ago, Mykisme said:

Hey man, thanks very much for your reply i have recently found this out 🙄  i cant decide on a set up now, scrap the max6??

 

do you have a xmaxx? share your set up please bro?

 

 

 I use the old school v1 1600kv motor and a max6 at the minute more than enough for me on 8s running 19/ 50 gearing 

[Mykisme]

Thankyou very much bro, ive decided on the 4985, 1650KV as it comes in the max6 combo i may as well! checked out a few vids, setup seems more than enough for my fix.

 

 Mod1 GDS  19/46, is the fave! louise wheels  are a tad heavier than stock. i found today, the castle XLX2 cooling fan for less than £30/$43 if i mount one to the motor, one to the esc i am assuming that is a complete efficient setup? what do you think? as the cooling im assuming  is all that id need to counteract the extra wheel weight? and lets face it! any cooling fans 30x30x10 are moist!! the blades no matter the brand break way to easy. so the esc is a must for an upgrade anyway.

 

Also can i ask you, do you understand why they make the max6 combo with a 8s  rated ESC and 6S rated Motor ? like you said the motor draws from the ESC but what sort of lifespan is expected running 8S lipo power with 6s Motor? all this backward workings of Kv, Amps and volts is bull****. no way will i buy and run 6s lipos after running nothing less than 8s🤨

 

✌️

 

 

[Kpowell911]

I blew my Max 6 up with a 5687 motor in my X Maxx. Went with a Max 5 in the end and it was fine then. Costly Mistake for me. 
 

Id personally not bother with the 4985 1650kv motor in an X Maxx, its only rated for  6S. 
 

Either run the stock motor with a Max 6, or the Max 5 with a 56 series motor, but then youll need a bigger mount and Mod 1.5 gears

Edited June 4, 2021 by Guns

[mydoddy69]

The Hobbywing 1650 won’t fit unless you can find a special motor mount for it as it has different mounting points to the larger 1/5 motors. If you want to change to the 1600 you have to really go with the v1 motor but there expensive and getting hard to find now. The max 6 is okay for the stock motors but ideally if you start going to bigger motors etc you really should invest in a max 5 

 

honestly I’d cancel the 1650 as it’s only rated 6s and it’s hard to find a motor mount that makes it fit 

 

if I was you I’d get a replacement stock motor and run it on something like 19/46  gds gears job done 

[Mykisme]

All this stuff give me brain ache! @Guns this was my thoughts exactly! i was told by a specialist the motor draws the power from the ESC so if you have a 6s motor and a 8s ESC the motor only draws the power it can although theres more to be had so it should not be a issue. 

 

everybody i questioned regarding this claimed the max6 was fine on the 1275 traxxas motor yet ive burnt up 2 of them now and just because of a traxxas label they are stupid money for what they are! the v1 motor i shopped around and its more money i'm willing to pay. 

 

@mydoddy69 i found the after market mount i need for all the hobbywing motors and now you said about the 1650kv im ....max5in it.

all i need to know now if the gds gears mesh from 5mm to 8mm as il leave the 46t cush drive in if i can and just run 19t 8mm to fit the motor?

 thanks for all the replies guys 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 6, 2021 by Mykisme

[mydoddy69]

1 hour ago, Mykisme said:

All this stuff give me brain ache! @Guns this was my thoughts exactly! i was told by a specialist the motor draws the power from the ESC so if you have a 6s motor and a 8s ESC the motor only draws the power it can although theres more to be had so it should not be a issue. 

 

everybody i questioned regarding this claimed the max6 was fine on the 1275 traxxas motor yet ive burnt up 2 of them now and just because of a traxxas label they are stupid money for what they are! the v1 motor i shopped around and its more money i'm willing to pay. 

 

@mydoddy69 i found the after market mount i need for all the hobbywing motors and now you said about the 1650kv im ....max5in it.

all i need to know now if the gds gears mesh from 5mm to 8mm as il leave the 46t cush drive in if i can and just run 19t 8mm to fit the motor?

 thanks for all the replies guys 

 

 

 

 

 Rw  racing do 8mm bore mod 1 pinions 

https://www.modelsport.co.uk/electric/pinion-gears/rw-racing/8mm?

 

Note not all Hobbywing motors mount the same so make sure ! The 56 cans are different to the 49 cans I’ve never come across a mount that can do both  so I’d be interested in having a link to it if you can please 

 

If your burning up motors like that you are probably running to high a gearing have insufficient cooling or something is binding in which case the 1650 won’t last 5 minutes plus it will need to be geared about 18/50 max ! 

 

Edited June 6, 2021 by mydoddy69

[Kpowell911]

3 hours ago, Mykisme said:

All this stuff give me brain ache! @Guns this was my thoughts exactly! i was told by a specialist the motor draws the power from the ESC so if you have a 6s motor and a 8s ESC the motor only draws the power it can although theres more to be had so it should not be a issue. 

 

everybody i questioned regarding this claimed the max6 was fine on the 1275 traxxas motor yet ive burnt up 2 of them now and just because of a traxxas label they are stupid money for what they are! the v1 motor i shopped around and its more money i'm willing to pay. 

 

@mydoddy69 i found the after market mount i need for all the hobbywing motors and now you said about the 1650kv im ....max5in it.

all i need to know now if the gds gears mesh from 5mm to 8mm as il leave the 46t cush drive in if i can and just run 19t 8mm to fit the motor?

 thanks for all the replies guys 

 

 

 

 

Just look for a “second hand” stock 8S motor thats been stripped out of a brand new one. Ive had 3 different stock 8S motors on a Max 6 geared quite high no issues

[Mykisme]

yes ofcourse man @mydoddy69 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233056485908?hash=item36433fc214:g:OA8AAOSwiE1b5c~X this seller claims the mount fits both can sizes im not sure but its the nicest looking mount ive found for the price ...... pretty right?

 ive been thinking these gears ..? by the looks of em i wont be buying them twice!

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254753801962?hash=item3b508286ea:g:JFUAAOSwqphfjfd0

Edited June 10, 2021 by Mykisme

[mydoddy69]

12 hours ago, Mykisme said:

yes ofcourse man @mydoddy69 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233056485908?hash=item36433fc214:g:OA8AAOSwiE1b5c~X this seller claims the mount fits both can sizes im not sure but its the nicest looking mount ive found for the price ...... pretty right?

 ive been thinking these gears ..? by the looks of em i wont be buying them twice!

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254753801962?hash=item3b508286ea:g:JFUAAOSwqphfjfd0

 Hmm sadly that will be hugely over geared on a 1650 motor  plus the 1650 only has a 5mm bore not 8mm 

 

That motor mount is for 56-58mm cans not sure it’s capable to do the 49mm from what I’ve heard folks say it doesn’t work on it but that was a while ago now so maybe he’s tweaked the design now 🤷🏻‍♂️  

[Kpowell911]

Honestly DO NOT RUN the 1650kv in your X. I had one, wanted to do it but was advised against it. 
 

Either go with a 56XX Motor, Mod 1.5 Gearings, after market mount and a Max 5

 

Or Max 6 and stock motor. I know you say stock motors are expensive, but you can use stock mount and regular pinions. Go with a 20/46, monitor temps and youll be fine and wont have spent a fortune

[Mykisme]

@Guns thanks man ima taking your advice and going max5 +56113 800kv  mod 1.5 gears im finished dealing with traxxas motors and i am curious at the best of times! so this big ass can  i'm looking forward too lol.

 

i ordered the motor mount i previously put the link up too and il be buy the gears also come the end of the month.

25/35 gearing seems a lot to me but given the can size it sort of makes sense, id rather buy a few different pinions to work out then a new motor for every time  getting it wrong and burning out **** !

 

deffo interested in all your xmaxx rigs guys can you uploads some pics so i can see?

 

i have not uploaded much lately as shes been out of action for a few months and life has had its way! but i mainly use instagram for my truck  journey check it out, leave a comment  il always appreciate your insights to my doings!

 

also selling badlands mx43 wheel set?? or do you think i should keep them as power to weight will soon no longer be an issue?

 

insta = Myk_isme 

 

thanks muchly 

[Kpowell911]

Heres a few of mine over the years @Mykisme

 

 

My First ever Stock 6S, this had a Max 6, a 1600kv Traxxas Motor 

 

 

I then replaced the 6S with the all new 8S, I ran this with the 1250kv motor and the Max 6 from the 6S one

 

 

I then sold the 8S….. and brought a second hand 

8S Maxx. I added Badlands, Max 5, 5687 1100kv Motor and then a 800kv. I spent a fortune on it honestly.  It was too poweful and I sold it

 

 

I then brought a brand new Red 8S, to rectify the mistakes I made above by going too far. This just runs a Max 6, stock motor, geared 22/46. This is perfect for me if im being honest. 
 

 

HONESTLY, the Max 5/800kv/1100kv was such a waste of money. Id urge you not to do it. Im talking from experience here

Edited June 11, 2021 by Guns

[Mykisme]

@Guns  i am not sure man i think its one of those things il have to get it myself before i turn against it! ive been content with the max6 and stock motor running 19/46 but overheating is an issue always.

id rather have to much power then not enough so im going to try the set up and see how i get on with it im more a basher then anything else, woods walks and stuff so i dont think il ever run it into the ground. 

that 56 set up does look lush though bro im hoping mine results in a similar look .

 

did you buy a bracket to mount your max5 in like that? or have you left the reciever box cover off? can see from the pic!

 

 

Edited June 13, 2021 by Mykisme

[Mykisme]

On 11/06/2021 at 08:42, mydoddy69 said:

 Hmm sadly that will be hugely over geared on a 1650 motor  plus the 1650 only has a 5mm bore not 8mm 

 

That motor mount is for 56-58mm cans not sure it’s capable to do the 49mm from what I’ve heard folks say it doesn’t work on it but that was a while ago now so maybe he’s tweaked the design now 🤷🏻‍♂️  

well he claimed when i messaged him that it fit all and says in the link description  it fits them all so yeah! like you said unless hes switch up the design now but ive got one coming, il soon find out.

[Kpowell911]

5 hours ago, Mykisme said:

@Guns  i am not sure man i think its one of those things il have to get it myself before i turn against it! ive been content with the max6 and stock motor running 19/46 but overheating is an issue always.

id rather have to much power then not enough so im going to try the set up and see how i get on with it im more a basher then anything else, woods walks and stuff so i dont think il ever run it into the ground. 

that 56 set up does look lush though bro im hoping mine results in a similar look .

 

did you buy a bracket to mount your max5 in like that? or have you left the reciever box cover off? can see from the pic!

 

 

 I ran a B&M ESC Mount and B&M reciever box. The ESC mounts to the stock RX box cover and you get a mini 3D Printed RX box that fits underneath the ESC

[Mykisme]

@Guns   Decided going with a guy that sells them on ebay its seems to be one of the neatest ways for the ESC to sit. im hesitant with 3D printed plastics yet theres so many grades now!

 

so while you was running the 56 and max5 what sort of issues did you come across? 

 i am expecting dramatic increase wearing the drive cups and shafts?

as well as that i am undecided on single or dual cooling for the motor i have some 12v 40x20 cooling fans not sure on how to power those yet though.

id rather buy a single mount as i can seem to find a dual fan single mount shroud. 

was the esc okay with the stock fan? 

[Kpowell911]

If Im honest with you, with the Max 5/56 Motor,  it was too fast, too powerful and I could only use about 60% of its performance. It ate lipos in next to no time. I used it about 3 times, realised Id spent over £2000 and made it worse than it was out the box,  so I sold it, and ended up buying a stock 8S XMaxx with a stock motor and Max 6 ESC and its much more useable, fun and Im much happier!

 

I dont bother with fans, if youre running hot enough to need fans, youre overgeared. Simple as that. Dont see the fascination with them. Gear within the means of your electrics and youll be fine at least in England

Edited June 21, 2021 by Guns

[Mykisme]

so you was running mod1 or mod 1.5 gears ? what rations did you find the best? i am going to start with 22/50 mod1 and go from there if i can avoid mod 1.5 gears i will.

 

my truck used to over heat often due to my driving, on stock gears. so id rather have it and not need it..... ive made a external 18v battery that sit in battery compartment 

 to run the fans from when needed and the pack acts as a foam spacer for the truck lipo too.

 

[Kpowell911]

I ran mod 1.5 gearing as my motor had 8mm an shaft. I think I was 25/35?

[turok007]

7 hours ago, Mykisme said:

so you was running mod1 or mod 1.5 gears ? what rations did you find the best? i am going to start with 22/50 mod1 and go from there if i can avoid mod 1.5 gears i will.

 

my truck used to over heat often due to my driving, on stock gears. so id rather have it and not need it..... ive made a external 18v battery that sit in battery compartment 

 to run the fans from when needed and the pack acts as a foam spacer for the truck lipo too.

 

You should have gearing that suits your driving area.  unless the motor/esc can take the strain.   

[mydoddy69]

10 hours ago, Mykisme said:

so you was running mod1 or mod 1.5 gears ? what rations did you find the best? i am going to start with 22/50 mod1 and go from there if i can avoid mod 1.5 gears i will.

 

my truck used to over heat often due to my driving, on stock gears. so id rather have it and not need it..... ive made a external 18v battery that sit in battery compartment 

 to run the fans from when needed and the pack acts as a foam spacer for the truck lipo too.

 

22/50 way way to high on a 1650 motor rated at 6s your be overheated in minutes !! 
 

Id start at 18/50 even that might be pushing it 

 

I’m starting to see now why your burning up motors 

[Mykisme]

3 hours ago, mydoddy69 said:

22/50 way way to high on a 1650 motor rated at 6s your be overheated in minutes !! 
 

Id start at 18/50 even that might be pushing it 

 

I’m starting to see now why your burning up motors 

max5 combo 56113 can bro i think 22/50 mod1 gears is a good starting point just the pinion is 8mm bore, ive ran 22\46 stock motor max6 and it over heated alot but it was a fun gear and i had mad max wheels so much smaller and less weight. i think for the amps and power she'll handle it.