Nickarla Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 I have been to order some more Shoe Goo only to find that Modelsport have stopped selling it. They recommended something called Bison but at nearly £10 for 50ml I wasn't interested. I have just noticed that they also sell CML Flexi tuff which at £7.79 for 100ml is a much more viable option. The only issue I have is that I have never heard of it, neither can I find any reviews, or read any experiences. Has anyone tried it? How does it compare to the established benchmark that is Shoe Goo? https://www.modelsport.co.uk/cml-flexi-tuff-stuff/rc-car-products/30311 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh How Original Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Just get Sheo Goo from eBay, it's often free postage too so will be cheaper than Modelsport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickarla Posted July 2, 2018 Author Share Posted July 2, 2018 Its expensive on ebay which is why its free postage. £15 for 110ml. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh How Original Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 That'll do a lot though, unless you're wanting to completely cover a Losi 5ive body, you should get a good few shells out of it. It can also be had a bit cheaper, I prefer to use what I know works and works the best, so I don't mind paying a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazp1976 Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Oh How Original said: That'll do a lot though, unless you're wanting to completely cover a Losi 5ive body, you should get a good few shells out of it. It can also be had a bit cheaper, I prefer to use what I know works and works the best, so I don't mind paying a bit more. That's my philosophy too. Stick with what you know. I've never bothered with it (but should have), all I see used hobby wide is the shoe goo with scrum tape. Go with the proper 110ml one because if you go with something else and it turns out crap then you'll end up forking for the goo afterwards anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickarla Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 I'm more inclined to go with the cheaper one I think. My philosophy is why pay more if you don't need to. You wont know if you don't need to unless you try. Was just hoping someone may have tried it for reassurance or to suggest its rubbish, don't go near it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly In My Soup Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 All products taken from another industry and rebranded to a 'specific' use make me laugh....they're all a rip off.... Take a trade labelled 2 part felexible epoxy @ roughly £25 for a kilo tub.....put it in a 110ml tin and slap a use specific label and bam its £15 ...... Easy money! P.s. I've used many different things, from straight epoxy resin to acropol painted on....next time I have go with a body I may try using lightweight resin with some chopped glass fibre thrown in. I really want to try on my latest body but adding that much epoxy to a 1/6 hardbody will be like putting a brick on its roof.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitroholic Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Yup...it's a sadly common tactic. When you find out there is a market, and it's cheap.....a bit of branding and a price hike is a common side effect. It's also not been helped by the 'dangerous goods' legislation restricting postage. Because it contains a solvent...it probably comes under the dangerous goods umbrella ( dangerous goo ??? ), meaning a lot of carriers won't touch it...and those that do need special licensing and charge a lot more. They have to...as the cost of getting and keeping that licence is high. Now....who do you think controls the licences and gets the money from that.... But 'Flexi Tuff Stuff' is just a label CML have stuck on an existing product. Bison just manufacture a range of adhesives. They do a product called 'liquid rubber' which sounds like the right stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly In My Soup Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 28 minutes ago, Nitroholic said: 's also not been helped by the 'dangerous goods' legislation restricting postage. Because it contains a solvent...it probably comes under the dangerous goods umbrella ( Ya never thought of that....I just head down to the builders merchants to get mine once every 6-12 mnth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazp1976 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Nitroholic said: Yup...it's a sadly common tactic. When you find out there is a market, and it's cheap.....a bit of branding and a price hike is a common side effect. It's also not been helped by the 'dangerous goods' legislation restricting postage. Because it contains a solvent...it probably comes under the dangerous goods umbrella ( dangerous goo ??? ), meaning a lot of carriers won't touch it...and those that do need special licensing and charge a lot more. They have to...as the cost of getting and keeping that licence is high. Now....who do you think controls the licences and gets the money from that.... But 'Flexi Tuff Stuff' is just a label CML have stuck on an existing product. Bison just manufacture a range of adhesives. They do a product called 'liquid rubber' which sounds like the right stuff. Found the same thing with the Osaki mini mill I recently bought. These are all exactly the same. Sealey SM2502. £879+ Clarke CMD300. £645+ Draper MILL-170. £801+ Osaki OSA2715500K. Cost me... £475 in February! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickarla Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 On 11/07/2018 at 08:36, Nitroholic said: But 'Flexi Tuff Stuff' is just a label CML have stuck on an existing product. As discussed this is common practice everywhere but unless I know what that product is then I have to go with tuff stuff as there is an assurance that it’ll do what I want it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly In My Soup Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nickarla said: As discussed this is common practice everywhere but unless I know what that product is then I have to go with tuff stuff as there is an assurance that it’ll do what I want it to. Bam...in a nutshell...this is what companies rely on to successfully re market an existing product....unsure customers... Its actually just a flexible two part epoxy resin dude...very much akin to the stuff you get in a syringe....but has added polymers and plasticizers to make it flexible when its cured... Here's the trade alternative.....well I say alternative.... I should say...this is the same product, cos that's what that cml stuff is....just been placed in a larger tin and re marketed to a specific use http://www.easycomposites.co.uk/#!/resin-gel-silicone-adhesive/epoxy-resin/ef80-flexible-epoxy-resin-system.html A wholesale customer couldacheive a much lower price for buying in volume Edited July 13, 2018 by Fly In My Soup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickarla Posted July 14, 2018 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 Thanks but that’s 1kg. I only need a small amount. It might be better value but I’ll spend 3x the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly In My Soup Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Well its £30 for a kilo of trade flexible epoxy, on the first website I found. £15 for tuff stuff branded epoxy through cml for 110ml... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickarla Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 After all that the Flexi tuff stuff is rubbish. It melts the paint. I’m guessing this means that the trade flexi poly would also melt the paint, just as well I didn’t spend that sort of money on something unsuitable. I guess it’s back to shoe goo as they are NOT all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mydoddy69 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 10 hours ago, Nickarla said: After all that the Flexi tuff stuff is rubbish. It melts the paint. I’m guessing this means that the trade flexi poly would also melt the paint, just as well I didn’t spend that sort of money on something unsuitable. I guess it’s back to shoe goo as they are NOT all the same. Checkout this thread 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly In My Soup Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Nickarla said: After all that the Flexi tuff stuff is rubbish. It melts the paint. I’m guessing this means that the trade flexi poly would also melt the paint, just as well I didn’t spend that sort of money on something unsuitable. I guess it’s back to shoe goo as they are NOT all the same. No..... EC branded flexi resin is safe for paint, plastic etc... I'm Not sure what stuff you used... Did you use water proofer this time around? Like the black stuff in a spray tin? Edited December 6, 2020 by Fly In My Soup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly In My Soup Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 hour ago, mydoddy69 said: Checkout this thread 👍 Grab adhesive... 🤣👍👍... If it works it works👌 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mydoddy69 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 43 minutes ago, Fly In My Soup said: Grab adhesive... 🤣👍👍... If it works it works👌 It works 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickarla Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 17 hours ago, mydoddy69 said: Checkout this thread 👍 Looks interesting. The price of shoe goo has got silly now. If this toughens shells like shoe goo does then it’s worth changing over to. The problem I have is I put many hours of time and effort into designing and painting shells so don’t want to compromise on its reinforcement/durability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickarla Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 15 hours ago, Fly In My Soup said: No..... EC branded flexi resin is safe for paint, plastic etc... I'm Not sure what stuff you used... Did you use water proofer this time around? Like the black stuff in a spray tin? I used the CML stuff stuff. Whats a waterproofer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone-wolf Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 I have to wonder if UHU POR would do same as shoe goo, in the flying we use it a lot on the builds some prefer POR over shoe goo, i have used it on a body to repair and it does not seem to affect paint and is plastic safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly In My Soup Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Jack Reacher said: I have to wonder if UHU POR would do same as shoe goo, in the flying we use it a lot on the builds some prefer POR over shoe goo, i have used it on a body to repair and it does not seem to affect paint and is plastic safe Yes there both sbr based yes... 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickarla Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 On 11/07/2018 at 00:51, Fly In My Soup said: All products taken from another industry and rebranded to a 'specific' use make me laugh....they're all a rip off.... I agree they're a rip off for what you get but they are not all the same, as per my findings with Tuff stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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