Smoothybb Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Just seen this. What do you reckon? Personally I don't think they should take any further action. He got a penalty and points, only beat hamilton because of dodgy mercedes build quality. That's just unlucky for hamilton, get on with it. I wonder what made them wait 3 days. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40431244 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johninderby Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Apparently a lot of the other teams as well as Mercedes are not happy with Vettels " lenient" penalty. Vettel has upset a lot of other people as well and you can see the backroom machinations going on to punish Vettel. Agree should have been dealt with properly at the time rather than days later. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mond Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Alex97 said: These cars are so technical the drivers would struggle. If you want bear bone racing then go and watch a go kart race!!!! I'll stick with BTCC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex97 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, mond said: I'll stick with BTCC. Ok. I could never really get into BTCC, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voicon Posted June 29, 2017 Author Share Posted June 29, 2017 I'm not a fan of any particular team, I'm a fan of F1. Whoever made the mistake on the first collision between Hamilton and Vettel doesn't matter, the problem was Vettel's actions afterward which are inexcusable, deliberately driving your car into another is dangerous driving and should be dealt with in such way. As I said before I like Vettel but he has a temper, remember the tirade of abuse he gave Charlie last season on the radio. Ferrari need to calm him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Just happened to tune into 'the race' and the very instant, by chance and saw a trackside camera. Lewis did nothing - he eased before the corner and didn't brake or anything. Watching the camera, you can see Vettel accelerate into Lewis, get angry then pull alongside and bash his front wheel into Lewis (because he wasn't holding the wheel) and at the same time, you can still see the pace car in view, which could easily have been caught had Lewis pulled away immediately ... I was almost willing to think Lewis had braked, but visually he really hadn't. Vettel's really got a screw loose and hat's off to Lewis for keeping his cool!! Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoothybb Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 People that do that for living probably have at least one screw loose anyway It's just passion, drive to succeed etc etc. You would expect drivers of that calibre to be able to be more controlled though but a lot of the very finest drivers were quite hot headed. Society is less accepting these days, everything has to be sterile, driving at 220mph+ 1" off the ground doesn't really fit with that. The least I would have expected was vettel to accept he messed up with the nudge up the rear. Have some self respect/humility, whatever. Just be smug that you finished ahead in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johninderby Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Vettel's actions afterwards in refusing to accept blame I think are going to come back to haunt him. If he had have held his hands up and accepted the blame the matter would most likely have been closed and probably no one would be calling for him to be made an example of. Just have the feeling he's going to be penalised pretty harshly very shortly. John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voicon Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share Posted July 1, 2017 Well there is a new investigation into his actions by the FIA so we will se what happens, the outcome is supposed to be before next weekend's race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 He DESERVES to skip a race for this rush of blood blatant arrogance and stupidity, but I hope he doesn't ... it'll be game over for the championship. I'm still amazed how 'cool' Lewis has been in all of this. Spotlight will be on Vettel basically for the rest of his career, and certainly rest of this season. Ferrari react strangely to these things sometimes, and may even dump him and grab Alonso again - stranger things .... Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoothybb Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Plenty of time left for one of em to fail to finish yet. He could miss a race without it being critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voicon Posted July 2, 2017 Author Share Posted July 2, 2017 Silverstone set to use the break clause in their contract.... http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10934125/brdc-director-says-its-highly-probable-silverstone-will-activate-a-break-clause-in-their-f1-contract Hopefully this is just a tactic to try and get a discount from Libery Media, it would be a sad day to have no British GP on the calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Charges are getting ridiculous!! It would be a shame to have no British GP - time for Brands or Donington to step up? Don't think they'd want the extra work and charges, despite the extra publicity of 'the F1 Circus'. Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mond Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I wonder if the teams would step in and demand that the fees are reduced. Silverstone is just down the road for a good proportion of the teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoothybb Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Both would require considerable work to get up to standard for what, a break-even at best (according silverstone/brdc) situation. Great to have, doesn't take much to go wrong and it will end up costing them money instead. I think it will be a joke if there's no Brit GP, most teams are based here, the history is undeniable.... I think a lot of UK fans will turn off if we lose the GP. It'll just be some other 'foreign' race series like DTM or WTCC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voicon Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 The other option is a London GP, there has been talk about this in the past, maybe Docklands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoothybb Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Be good to see but I doubt it's a permanent option. At the whim of the mayor/council and doesn't have the allure of somewhere like silverstone. I dislike swapping old tracks for new one''s just for the money and the 'perfect' designs. While a street race would be fun to watch, there's something special about a track with real history like silverstone. Especially as that's where I asked my mrs to marry me so every time it's on the telly I get to remind everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voicon Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) Vettel avoids any further penalty by admitting full resposibility, agreeing to apologise publicly and doing some motorsport community service. He needs to be careful now though any further transgressions won't be treated lightly. http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10935392/sebastian-vettel-to-face-no-further-action-from-fia-for-lewis-hamilton-collision-in-azerbaijan-gp Edited July 3, 2017 by Voicon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoothybb Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Hmmm, probably the fairest outcome. Bit toothless for them to keep 'investigating' then letting him get away with an apology but at the same time I didn't believe there should have been extra sanctions. Any normal race and the stop-go would have been enough to penalise vettel properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 The blatant arrogance and disregard for others, simply blaming (an innocent) Lewis ... should have been something. Let's see how public that apology will be - hope he gets reamered by the press - put on stage in pre-race interviews - deserves that much at least. I've got Police Interceptors on at the moment, and they don't accept BS, so why should we all accept it from the pinnacle of motorsport? Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover Man Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Because the business of Motorsport is more important than what the viewers want 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voicon Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 43 minutes ago, atom3624 said: The blatant arrogance and disregard for others, simply blaming (an innocent) Lewis ... should have been something. Let's see how public that apology will be - hope he gets reamered by the press - put on stage in pre-race interviews - deserves that much at least. I've got Police Interceptors on at the moment, and they don't accept BS, so why should we all accept it from the pinnacle of motorsport? Al. I totally agree, if it was an accident then fine but deliberately drove into another car, we saw these cars can flip at low speed this year in Monaco (button and wehrlein) so it was dangerous driving. He's making the right noises but he did the same after the Charlie incident, let's see how he reacts the next time. I think he needs to move away from Ferrari where there seems to be too much pressure on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoothybb Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 I know what everyone is saying but there needs to be some perspective. What he did wasn't that dangerous, it could have been, but wasn't. I fully believe vetel knew what he was doing when he bumped wheels. He didn't sideswipe into the body of the merc but yes it still could have caused a serious accident, but didn't. He needed a dressing down, he got that and will hopefully remember it each time he serves his community service. So we'll discuss it again in 12mths time when he does something childish again......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johninderby Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 F1 needs to bring in some in-between penalties. Not just 10 seconds or disqualification. A 30 second penalty would have been a more suitable option for the stewards to impose. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Forza Ferrari - AGAIN!! No blasted surprise. He'll be up to the same and more this weekend ... can't wait. Lewis will keep quiet again, but old-man Massa and Verstappen will have something to say I'm sure! Here we go again. Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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