NITO Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Well you've had lots of advice, the 1060 esc is an excellent bit of kit which I use on a lot of runners. It'll also allow a 3S battery to be used for stupid power out of a silver can but the 3S lipo would mean even more expense so given your budget, I'd agree with everything XV said above. So basically; 1.1060 brushed esc is an excellent esc, waterproof and lipo compatible. 2. Brushed motors are ok for all sorts of running but you may need to maintain them a bit more and if you get them wet they might squeal, watch out for debris/stones getting into the cooling vents. 3. Sensorless Brushless can get wet, and if you go sensorless best buy decent to avoid cogging etc and some of the other probs mentioned. Hobbywing are excellent and also make some of the gear for HPI, also excellent IME plus many more options out there. All you can do is get opinions from owners for whichever one you intend. Take into account large wheeled rigs will show up any weaknesses in setup over a small wheeled model so factor that in the opinions you get back. ie see what the big wheeled people are successfully running. 4. Sensored Brushless can be problematic with water, probably best reserved for racers rather than bashers. 5. The WT01 is a very capable basher and extremely robust, short of trying 10 foot jumps it will handle most general bashing duties with fine aplomb. Some people have different ideas of bashing, there's super destroyer bashing, and regular bashing! Enjoy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NITO Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Some WT01 (silver one) and WR01 (black one) bashing footage with a local Tamiyaclub member who kindly took some footage, WT's feature from 2mins 20secs onwards in the vid below... Mine is the silver one, pretty tough rig if you ask me, and a WT always lands on it's feet Both are Brushless, mine with HPI motor and esc, the other with a dual Turnigy setup IIRC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Nice seeing the dump truck going so well. Nice smooth track and the vehicles were going well. WT01 seemed to be a little 'bouncy' - are they oil filled shocks? Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NITO Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) That one is primarily an offroad basher so setup up for that. It has air filled Gmade tyres on the rear (hence the bounce) and 100mm shocks. It's a handful on a made track, but off road grass/mud it really is superb. The Monster Hornet was also running a 4300kv setup and was virtually undriveable!! Back to silver can now The dump truck was a bit of a revelation. Totally stock pogo sticks on that one too. Edited November 22, 2016 by NITO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHole Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) 41 minutes ago, atom3624 said: WT01 seemed to be a little 'bouncy' - are they oil filled shocks? Al. What oil should be used when doing jumps to avoid too much suspension travel and slow the travel Edited November 22, 2016 by BlackHole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XV Pilot Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) That varies according to your shocks and pistons, vehicle weight, etc, and is usually a case of experimentation to find what suits your tastes, unless of course you can find someone who is using the exact same setup as you, and has set their rig up exactly the way you want yours set up, in which case you can ask them what they use. For example I use Tamiya's yellow "400" oil in mine with 2-hole pistons, but my shocks are a little different to yours (as is my driving style most likely) so you may want to try something different. Edited November 22, 2016 by XV Pilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XV Pilot Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 For reference, here is the full list of Tamiya shock oils, weights and colours, courtesy of Blacque Jacque on Tamiyaclub: 53443, soft oil set; 200 - Red 300 - Orange 400 - Yellow 53444, medium oil set; 500 - Green 600 - Dark blue 700 - Purple 53445, hard oil set; 800 - Pink 900 - Clear 1000 - Light blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kpowell911 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Noj said: I'm considering buying John's and dropping a bl combo in, just to prove what can be achieved Lmao! The black one for £90? Ive still got the tab open cause I was thinking the same thing and sticking a Sidewinder/3800kv in it haha. XV Pilot: I meant no offence. You've gave the guy more advice for this vehicle than the rest of the forum put together, and I'm sure he would be nowhere near where near running without you. It was more that the op needs to decide from the get go what he wants stick to it, because what he has spent on this Brushed set up and the toy grade experiment, he would have been easily able to afford a mid-high end brushless set up. It's not always about been able to afford ' a £700 E revo', but more prioritising your needs and budget,, sticking to them so you don't waste any money allowing you to eventually get a £700 e Revo for example. Blackhole for now if forget about brushless, run it as it is, then either get a cheap17t brushed motor or save for a brushless set up. Noj, obviously the 4 pole would be much better, but lets be realistic, that 2 pole Reaktor combo will still be light years ahead of the Brushed ESC and 27t can..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locky Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Not sure where you got your shocks from but I got similar I think (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222048007493?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) and the found that they were too bouncy, It was due to the shock piston washer being too small, creating no resistance, such that it made no significant difference when changing oil viscosity. I had some other piston washers which were a perfect fit and made 4 x 0.5mm holes in them with 30wt oil. Much better result. The oil generally supplied with basic shocks is not very good. So answer to question 30wt shock oil is good starting point, but I would dismantle one of your shocks to see the diameter of the piston washer compared to the shock body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Guns, I'd run a 15t brushed can over that radiant combo, it really is poor.... Yes, the man from Derby's rig.....a bargain that you know is properly built Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kpowell911 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Surely these wouldnt be a bad shout for the money?http://www.modelsport.co.uk/hpi-firebolt-15t-motor-540-type-/rc-car-products/29609 http://www.modelsport.co.uk/absima-thrust-eco-electric-motor-15t/rc-car-products/381545 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHole Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, Guns said: Surely these wouldnt be a bad shout for the money?http://www.modelsport.co.uk/hpi-firebolt-15t-motor-540-type-/rc-car-products/29609 http://www.modelsport.co.uk/absima-thrust-eco-electric-motor-15t/rc-car-products/381545 no way they are under £10... How!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kpowell911 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) Get some info on them before buying, but Im sure they will offer a decent performance improvement over the stock can. Theyre cheap cause they are fixed endbell, meaning you cant rebuild them, so when they pack up, you have to buy a new one as opposed to just replace the brushes, but at this price point thats irrelevant imo. My other idea was a Traxxas Titan 12T, people take them out of the Traxxas Bandit/Rustler/Stampede and replace with brushless and sell them on. They get a Rustler/Stampede which is similar sort of thing to yours to 30mph. Ill have a brand new one (and ESC, servo etc) to sell when I strip my brand new Stampede Bigfoot Xmas day But either of those should give an upgrade over the silver can. Edited November 22, 2016 by Guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johninderby Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, BlackHole said: no way they are under £10... How!!! Simple. They're cheap motors that aren't rebuildable. The Absima is at least rebuildable and of reasonable quality for a bit more. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kpowell911 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 This is the rebuildable version. Not that it matters TBH, at this price id more than likely replace if I ever wore the brushes down to the point It needed new brushes and the comm skimming. That would cost as much as a new motor lol http://www.modelsport.co.uk/absima-electric-motor-thrust-b-spec-17t/rc-car-products/380787 14T might be pushing it? http://www.modelsport.co.uk/absima-thrust-b-spec-electric-motor-14t/rc-car-products/381550 Personally, I'd just get the £7 15t for now if you want a quick speed increase. You may need a lower tooth pinion, unless you are already running the lowest. Id then save for brushless set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kpowell911 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) WE have a winner IMO http://www.modelsport.co.uk/orion-method-pro-17-turn-motor/rc-car-products/369918 Slighter faster but not on offer. http://www.modelsport.co.uk/orion-method-pro-15-turn-motor/rc-car-products/369917 Edited November 22, 2016 by Guns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johninderby Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) Good spot. Some pf the older Orion motors are being cleared off at really good prices. John Edited November 22, 2016 by johninderby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveyb84 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Team-Orion-Method-Pro-15t-540-Brushed-Electric-RC-Motor-Hobbywing-ESC-Combo-/332017961120?hash=item4d4dd008a0:g:~0sAAOSwEeFVQcow motor and esc for 40 quid there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kpowell911 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 thats expensive, that ESC is only £18.89 on MShttp://www.modelsport.co.uk/hobbywing-quicrun-1060-brushed-waterproof-esc-sbec/rc-car-products/404964 The motor is the £9.99-13.49 So £29-33. ID STILL call it a waste of money and go brushless..... but he already has the ESC, adding a £9.99 Quality Orion 17x2 motor is defininatey going to improve his speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Firebolt cans are ok for the money, we run a few and none have given up. If they ever do, for the price, a replacement isn't really an issue. Performance does slightly differ between them though, our lasses King Blackfoot was always a touch faster than mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHole Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 11 minutes ago, Guns said: That would cost as much as a new motor lol 33 minutes ago, Guns said: Surely these wouldnt be a bad shout for the money?http://www.modelsport.co.uk/hpi-firebolt-15t-motor-540-type-/rc-car-products/29609 http://www.modelsport.co.uk/absima-thrust-eco-electric-motor-15t/rc-car-products/381545 Thats what I was thinking lol it would cost to replace them... Well, I'll go with this for one of above for <£10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XV Pilot Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) Don't forget that the 17t Orion that Guns found is also under £10, and rebuildable. This is not only good for when the brushes wear out, but also makes cleaning the motor after a muddy run a lot easier. Plus Orion has a good reputation for quality and performance. A good 17t is also likely to out-perform a basic 15t, especially if you adjust the timing. (The Orion has adjustable timing, the sealed can motors don't.) Edited November 22, 2016 by XV Pilot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johninderby Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Second the Orion motor. Great buy while they clear them off. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHole Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, XV Pilot said: Don't forget that the 17t Orion that Guns found is also under £10, and rebuildable. This is not only good for when the brushes wear out, but also makes cleaning the motor after a muddy run a lot easier. Plus Orion has a good reputation for quality and performance. going for that then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XV Pilot Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Good choice! Quality comparable to the LRP I mentioned earlier, but at Absima price levels. Come to think of it I might get one myself... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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