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[lancman]

Hello All, Just joined and are new to the world of RC cars. I have a Kyosho DRX 1/9 scale Citreon rally car and thought i would get a spare shell for it, that was until i was informed by a model shop that the shells are not readly available and would cost around 100 pounds!!!! Thats nearly half the cost of the car,OMG What have i done. Have i brought the wrong car, should i have gone for a different scale? Does anyone know where i can get a bodyshell for it at a good price?

[henzy190]

Sadly, I don't think there's much that you can do. 1/9th scale is very rare!! The only other option would be to bodge either an 1/8th scale or a 1/10th scale shell to fit your DRX.

[Jumper]

you should aways look at spares before buying a car!

[Bradley@BMM]

[grck1]

What's the shell you have now like? If it in good condition try finding a way to get a copy made, places that do vacuum forming might be able to help or you could use it to make a fibre glass copy

[danny boy]

I agree with the above. If its in a good condition then try and find a way to copy it. Fibre glassing is good, messy though.

[Garry]

$65: http://www.infernosonly.com/DRX_Subaru_Impreza_Unpainted_Body_Set_p/kyotrb171.htm

Painted ones are more though, typical of all Kyosho cars unfortunately.

http://www.infernosonly.com/Kyosho_DRX_Bodies_and_Decals_s/706.htm

[Smoothybb]

Claims to be in stock but is unpainted:

http://www.podiumrc.co.uk/product-408277.php

This one looks painted and not quite 100quid:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Kyosho-DRX-Citroen-C4-WRC-2008-Painted-Body-Set-/220852880939?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item336bdb862b#ht_1900wt_954

I think a certain model shop has been telling porkies. The DRX isn't the easiest to get parts for but they would be making over 100% profit selling you a shell at

[Garry]

I think a certain model shop has been telling porkies. The DRX isn't the easiest to get parts for but they would be making over 100% profit selling you a shell at

[Smoothybb]

Errr, no they wouldn't, not even close!

The Podium RC link is false, they hold very little stock and that information on the site is generated by the ''stock list'' that distributors send out to shops, letting them know what is and isn't available to order. Theirs will be very out of date, probably from the Kyosho UK days as a lot of other things on their website have been discontinued, but still listed as available to order.

That painted body, thats in America, in Iowa. They have a 6% sales tax, so that means a saving of 11.5% over the UK. In America, Kyosho is distributed by Kyosho America, which serves a dealer network that is approx 40-50 times larger (USA, Canada, Puerto Rico and Mexico), and have a warehouse to suit and hold enough stock to supply the network. Lower overheads means they can carry more stock and bring the unit cost price down. Kyosho Europe is much smaller, they may deal with all of Europe but their market position is much weaker. They supply the UK retailers so we have to deal with the difference in Pound to Euro along with a higher unit cost price. Thats why it costs more.

One Euro is about 85p.

One US Dollar is about 62p

100% profit? Not a chance in hell. It'll still cost a UK shop

[Garry]

Haven't got a clue who the shop in question is, I just don't like to see bad advice and strange accusations made. Most people (like you, it seems) have very little grasp on what actually happens in a model shop and seem to like to jump on the ''Rip off Britain/UK model shops are daylight robbers'' bandwagon. Apart from bodyclips and wheelnuts, nothing in the UK model industry is sold with a 100% markup.

[Smoothybb]

Haven't got a clue who the shop in question is, I just don't like to see bad advice and strange accusations made. Most people (like you, it seems) have very little grasp on what actually happens in a model shop and seem to like to jump on the ''Rip off Britain/UK model shops are daylight robbers'' bandwagon. Apart from bodyclips and wheelnuts, nothing in the UK model industry is sold with a 100% markup.

So you don't know for a fact that podium can't get stock? Can't get some from Kyosho US, via Kyosho EU, at the cost podium obviously have as trade price? Deffo no stock in the uk that could be sold at podium price? Strange, that, you seem pretty sure. Seems I'm not the only one guessing then eh Gary? You also don't know for a fact that some shops won't sell at massive mark-ups or hike a price because it's rare kit? You do? Or you don't? I've experienced model shops that take the mickey,

Edited November 12, 2011 by Smoothybb

[Garry]

Me guessing? Not at all. Ring Podium up yourself and they'll tell you the same. Its been pretty common knowledge on here and other RC forums that Podium list many many many items they can't actually get. You order from them, it goes onto backorder then a couple of months later it gets cancelled and refunded. I've used them before. This thread was the most recent I recall: http://www.msuk-foru..._1#entry1200414 I have no idea where Podium plucked their price from but I guarentee you that they can't supply you one at that price.

Rarity doesn't come into it. If a shop doesn't think they'll sell much of the car, they won't stock it. hence Modelsport don't carry every single car currently in production. if they did a massive markup on parts and accessories because it was for a rare car, they'd be limiiting their already tiny potential customerbase, so it makes no business sense. They won't want to deal with it in the first place, never mind have actual stock on the shelves sitting for months. Stock on the shelf is money not sitting in the bank account, hence bad for business.

Engine tune ups are a service, like soldering, painting etc. Like servicing a real car, you're charged for cost of parts and materials, and the time of the technician. Its not comparable to a bodyshell is it?

I've worked for a model shop, I've worked for a couple of RC companies based in the UK. I know what I'm talking about, I'm not guessing. Its up to you to listen or not, not my fault if you don't. But yes, you offered bad advice by making a claim about UK model shops, I put you right and you can't seem to accept it. Oh well.

BTW, spell my name right. Second time I've had to tell you that. Thanks.

[Smoothybb]

You're right Gary I'm not listening. UK model shops have been known to rip people off, don't try and say they never have, that's ridiculous. You're asking me to forget about my own experiences and believe you? Errrr, wait while I consider that. Great you've worked for a model shop. I've worked for major supermarket, I don't claim to know the insides out of every supermarket in the UK like you seem to be doing. It's like you're ranting without basis, I don't see the point in that tbh, thought you'd have more adminy type things to do.

"Engine tune ups are a service, like soldering, painting etc. Like servicing a real car, you're charged for cost of parts and materials, and the time of the technician. Its not comparable to a bodyshell is it?" No, it's adjusting some needles, no materials needed, I would have thought you'd have known that Gary? And why isn't it comparable, part or service, if a shop is willing to take the mickey on a TUNE (not full service Gary, read what I wrote), you strangely know for a fact that they would not do it on parts. Why? Why argue based on you know everything about every model shop in the UK. You know for a fact that no model shop marks-up 100% except for the two items you listed? Really? You're happy to lay money on no model shop in the UK? And talking of comparisons, are you comparing servicing a 1:1 with tuning a nitro engine?

[Si Coe]

High prices isn't the same as ripping off.

Ripping off is pure profit and lots of greed. If that was the case, we'd have modelshop owners all over the land driving Ferrari's and Roll's.

We don't.

Instead we have shops closing down because they can't make a profit.

The fact is that, especially in the current climate margins are slim, very slim and prices are in line with that. Yes, some shops aren't as affected as others, so their prices are cheaper - this doesn't mean the more expensive place is trying to rip you off though, just trying to stay afloat.

BTW Podium is a very interesting operation. They seem to stock nothing at all from what I can see. You order from them, they order from the supplier and they ship to you. The result is very low overheads, so they can afford to sell at only a fraction over the suppliers price. But it also means long delivery times if you get the item at all.....

[Garry]

You're right Gary I'm not listening.

This is a long post for someone not listening then Sounds like you have your own agenda to bang on about, and that fair enough, but come on, I'm taking the time to read your posts, try reading mine eh? Its only fair.

UK model shops have been known to rip people off, don't try and say they never have, that's ridiculous.

I didn't say that. Like Si said above me, high prices doesn't mean ripping off. I explained why they charge the price they do, you didn't listen.

You're asking me to forget about my own experiences and believe you? Errrr, wait while I consider that. Great you've worked for a model shop. I've worked for major supermarket, I don't claim to know the insides out of every supermarket in the UK like you seem to be doing.

It's like you're ranting without basis,

I didn't ask you to forget anything. Now you're ''ranting without basis''. Anyone can have any experience they like. I had Peri Peri sauce once, didn't like it. Does that mean I won't like any form of any sauce ever created?

Just because your experience doesn't match that of the general population, that doesn't mean the general population is wrong.

I don't see the point in that tbh, thought you'd have more adminy type things to do.

"Engine tune ups are a service, like soldering, painting etc. Like servicing a real car, you're charged for cost of parts and materials, and the time of the technician. Its not comparable to a bodyshell is it?" No, it's adjusting some needles, no materials needed, I would have thought you'd have known that Gary? And why isn't it comparable, part or service, if a shop is willing to take the mickey on a TUNE (not full service Gary, read what I wrote), you strangely know for a fact that they would not do it on parts. Why? Why argue based on you know everything about every model shop in the UK. You know for a fact that no model shop marks-up 100% except for the two items you listed? Really? You're happy to lay money on no model shop in the UK? And talking of comparisons, are you comparing servicing a 1:1 with tuning a nitro engine?

Some shops include a service with the tune up. My two locals with replace and reoil the air filter, replace or fit a fuel fuel filter, and re-run the engine in, I wrongly assumed that other shops would do that. Maybe yours doesn't. Who knows, sounds like you have a rubbish local shop and think its the norm.

Anyway I can't be bothered with trying to explain why things the way they are in any simpler terms. If you can't understand (or choose not to believe), then I'm sorry. Here's some links for the OP..

http://www.activepow...c200-kyotrb171/

http://www.galaxyhob...products_id=665

http://wapakhobbysho...oducts_id=29864

http://shopping.hexn...00_p_17107.html

http://xshobby.com/s...%20WRC200%20%29

http://www.mammothho...p/kyotrb171.htm

http://www.hobbies4l...p/kyotrb171.htm

http://www.activepow...-wrc-kyotrb172/

http://www.twistedrc.com/product/72016

[Nitro-basher-chick]

I can see were hes comeing from here, some rc parts and defo some cars are very much ova priced, but if its a 1/9 scale witch is rare i can understand why its more pricey. All tho i agree

[Matt B]

UK Model shops are not "Ripping people off", at all. What you have to look at is the actual size of the establishment, as gas, electric, water and god knows what ever costs aren't cheap are they? Plus, you have to look at their online presence too - Modelsport seem to have a good balance of brands and parts, both online and in a store which is big enough and convenient for people in the local area. I had a model shop locally which was expensive yes, but you can understand why. People need to make a living, they don't just sell RC parts as a free service to us hobbyists, and like small local stores compared to supermarkets, it's incredibly difficult to price match to a big company which can afford to lose money on some products or have them sit for a while. Small shops can't do that.

Edited November 14, 2011 by Matt B

[Nitro-basher-chick]

I agree with what you are saying there, but there are things i think are a rip off on price are.

: nitro fuel

: lipo batterys

But thay can charge high prices for them as thay know we need it and will buy them anyway

[Matt B]

Well no, nitro fuel uses ingredients which are hard and costly to source, as well as LiPo batteries, which is why the cost is passed on tot he consumer. They're not expensive these days anyway, I paid

Edited November 14, 2011 by Matt B

[Smoothybb]

This is a long post for someone not listening then Sounds like you have your own agenda to bang on about, and that fair enough, but come on, I'm taking the time to read your posts, try reading mine eh? Its only fair.

I didn't say that. Like Si said above me, high prices doesn't mean ripping off. I explained why they charge the price they do, you didn't listen.

I didn't ask you to forget anything. Now you're ''ranting without basis''. Anyone can have any experience they like. I had Peri Peri sauce once, didn't like it. Does that mean I won't like any form of any sauce ever created?

Just because your experience doesn't match that of the general population, that doesn't mean the general population is wrong.

Some shops include a service with the tune up. My two locals with replace and reoil the air filter, replace or fit a fuel fuel filter, and re-run the engine in, I wrongly assumed that other shops would do that. Maybe yours doesn't. Who knows, sounds like you have a rubbish local shop and think its the norm.

Anyway I can't be bothered with trying to explain why things the way they are in any simpler terms. If you can't understand (or choose not to believe), then I'm sorry. Here's some links for the OP..

http://www.activepow...c200-kyotrb171/

http://www.galaxyhob...products_id=665

http://wapakhobbysho...oducts_id=29864

http://shopping.hexn...00_p_17107.html

http://xshobby.com/s...%20WRC200%20%29

http://www.mammothho...p/kyotrb171.htm

http://www.hobbies4l...p/kyotrb171.htm

http://www.activepow...-wrc-kyotrb172/

http://www.twistedrc.com/product/72016

Nice Gary, very nice, it doesn't change the fact you picked on a single comment of mine and turned it into something it wasn't just so you could rant at me. Maybe you've been reading too many of your own posts and have developed some self-importance issues?

You accuse me of bad advice yet your entire argument is based on "Gary reckons.." It might work with some of the younger members Gary but your agenda was quite clear.

While we're going quote crazy, do you remember these little gems:

"Theirs will be very out of date, probably from the Kyosho UK days" - good guess?

"Haven't got a clue who the shop in question is" - interestingly you still know they're real good guys as you have no doubt they're not profiteering from a rare shell?

" I have no idea where Podium plucked their price from but I guarentee you that they can't supply you one at that price." - now that's a claim and a half, nothing like a bit of Gary says!

"Rarity doesn't come into it." - no comment needed other than read up on supply and demand!

"Stock on the shelf is money not sitting in the bank account, hence bad for business" - sourcing a shell and stocking multiples is a totally different argument, I never said they had to stock them.

" you offered bad advice by making a claim about UK model shops" - I commented on one, you turned it into me attacking every UK modelshop.

"Sounds like you have your own agenda to bang on about" - tell me Gary, would you prefer 'Pot' or 'Kettle' on your customised mug?

" I explained why they charge the price they do, you didn't listen." - more Gary facts, sorry should that be conjecture?

So now we've both gone quote-crazy can we leave it at you jumped on a comment of mine to make a point and used various guesses, some 'common knowledge' and sprinkled in some "I've worked in a model shop so know everything about them" for little other than your own agenda? Nope, thought not, you wouldn't let the sun go down on a discussion with me Gary. I have found the lessons on exchange rates and margin very helpful though, I sometimes forget the detail while controlling a

Edited November 15, 2011 by Smoothybb

[Jumper]

Well no, nitro fuel uses ingredients which are hard and costly to source, as well as LiPo batteries, which is why the cost is passed on tot he consumer. They're not expensive these days anyway, I paid