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#1 Garry

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Posted 04 June 2008 - 09:06 AM

Gearing can be a minefield, if you don't understand what's happening in the car. Hopefully this guide should make it clearer to why your car isn't as fast as it can be, or why its too fast!

OK, any given motor has a powerband. It is the point that the motor starts spinning, to the point the RPM stops increasing. Thanks to the design of electric motors, the powerband is massive, but you still need to gear the car correctly to make best use of the powerband. For example, a motor geared for high top speed will be really sluggish out of corners, and may never hit the sweet spot of the powerband before you need to turn.

So, how do you gear a car correctly? First, you need to know the gearing you're on.

Electric cars usually have one pinion and one spur gear. The smaller gear is the pinion, the larger one is the spur gear. To work out the gearing, you can use a great website such as http://www.gearchart.com/ but if your car isn't listed, you'll need to do a little maths. Its Spur Gear divided by Pinion Gear times Internal Ratio equals Final Drive Ratio.

Spur
(----------) x IR = FDR
Pinion

So, with some random numbers:

89t
(----------) x 2.1 = 8.49FDR
22t

To make it a little easier if you're away from a calculator or a computer, a lot of cars these days come with a gear chart in the manual.

Here's the possible pinions and spurs that fit a Tamiya TT01, and the motor mounting holes you'll need to get the right mesh, that won't strip the gears.

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The numbers in the middle of the chart are the Final Drive Ratio, along the top are the spur gears, and the pinions are down the side.

OK, you now know your FDR, but what does that mean to you?

Well, the FDR number is the amount of times the motor turns for one revolution of the wheel. Using our example above, the motor turns 8.49 times for every one complete turn of the wheel.

Lower FDR's mean more top speed, higher FDR's mean more acceleration.

In general, when you fit a faster motor, you fit a higher FDR. Fit a slower motor and you need a low FDR. That doesn't take into account the space you've got to run the car in, so smaller areas mean a higher FDR as you're not going to be able to reach the top speed with a low FDR, so its always a balance of top speed and acceleration that match the motor and the area. For touring cars at least, FDR's of 7.5 or above (smaller number) are considered high.

Its a lot easier to gear a motor for a track, simply gear the car so the car stops accelerating about two thirds (2/3s) to three quarters (3/4) of the way down the longest straight on the track

So, in summary....

If you are:

fitting a faster motor
driving on a tight track or small space
using more voltage/cells

fit a smaller pinion/bigger spur/high FDR.

If you are:

fitting a slower motor
driving on a open track or big space

fit a bigger pinion/small spur/low FDR.

But remember, everyone has a different driving style, different equipment setup etc, so no-one can say ''Use 'xyz'FDR with this motor or that track'', its really a case of trial and error. Look on eBay and buy a selection of pinions and try for yourself!

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Posted 04 June 2008 - 12:13 PM

another amazing refrance garry very informative and lots of help thanks :)

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Posted 10 July 2008 - 03:11 PM

hi, can anyone help with gearing options and motor positions for TA-05. Kinda need the pic you have abouve in this post ... but for TA-05 not TT-01, cheers if you can help !

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Posted 10 July 2008 - 03:33 PM

From the TA05 manual:

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You might be able to fit a bigger pinion on than a 25t, not 100% sure.

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Posted 10 July 2008 - 03:46 PM

cheers, assuming 105 pinion is standard

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 07:06 AM

Don't forget old faithful...
http://gearchart.com...on=chart.create

The problem is though sometimes it's hard to work out the internal ratio of the car.  This can be a problem so you have to either reverse engineer the ratio with old fashioned maths & work out from there what is going on or hunt for hours on websites as many manuals don't list the car internal ratio's.  On that site you have options, but if your car isn't in the list you can enter the internal ratio & print off a chart

You can also work out the top speed on your car if you know what RPM your motor runs at- it won't be 100% accurate as it doesn't consider things like downforce generated from the bodyshell, tyres, the cars total weight, drag on the motor, etc etc, but it will give you an idea in the ballpark to help set your car up & how gearing changes affect the top speed & performance.

It's quite funny, sometimes at race meetings.. you know people are using the gear chart site when setting their car up as they access the site on a mobile phone or Wi-fi & you often still hear the background music it plays.

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 08:38 PM

So if i was doing speed runs and i wanted my car to go fast i would fit a bigger pinion and small spur

Edited by nitrorhys, 27 December 2008 - 08:38 PM.


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Posted 28 December 2008 - 11:56 AM

Yup.

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Posted 28 December 2008 - 12:01 PM

 Garry, on Dec 28 2008, 01:56 PM, said:

Yup.


Thanks garry you the man :good:

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 12:49 PM

Another thing to remember is that some motors are rpm based and some are torque based motors, others are a happy medium of both.

Motors that rev lots will lack torque.  Torque is needed on smaller, twistier tracks, were acceleration is more important.

A larger track (such as aldershot) can be suited to an rpm based motor if you're able to keep the speed of the car up.

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 07:32 PM

I have knocked up a noddy excel spreadsheet to calculate gearing and theoretical (unloaded) max speeds on my TA-05.

I thought I would host it so that others can use it, if suitable for their chassis - not sure how shaft drive ratios are calculated. I guess I could do a version where the internal ratio is manually entered instead of calculated.


If I get bored over the weekend I will probably expand this to show all pinion / spur ratios within a +/- 10 tooth range or something.

Anyway, feel free to have a look...

Right Click & Save As


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Posted 11 January 2009 - 06:51 PM

Thanks very much for this brilliant advice Garry - joined this forum today after ordering my first RC car from Modelsport UK earlier in the month (A Gravel Hound). Been trying to get my head around gearing for a week - This info and link to the gearchart website is invaluable - Understand it completely now! A must for all newbies like myself.

Thanks again and congratulations on what I consider to be the best RC forum on the web!

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 01:58 PM

 Perko, on Jan 11 2009, 08:51 PM, said:

Thanks very much for this brilliant advice Garry - joined this forum today after ordering my first RC car from Modelsport UK earlier in the month (A Gravel Hound). Been trying to get my head around gearing for a week - This info and link to the gearchart website is invaluable - Understand it completely now! A must for all newbies like myself.

the Gravel hound uses the same gearing system as the TT-01 (as shown in Garry's chart) as the drivetrains are identical, so in theory you can run TT-01 gears & achieve the same ratio.  This would of course give you additional speed because of the diameter of the wheels, but the acceleration would suffer.

The DF-02 has 2 choices of spur - the 70t & a 67t spur sold as a hop-up.

I put a gearing chart on my website that caters for both the DF-02 & the TT-01
http://www.ianmaddock.co.uk/?p=44

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Posted 29 April 2009 - 05:32 PM

I hope its okay to ask gearing related questions here , otherwise please close and I will open new thread.

- Where does one get this chart ( as TT01 above ) for other models ( like TA05 ) - the mentioned website shows only the FDR calc for all possibilities

- what does one mean when you say only certain gears and pinions can go together , and as per above chart 26/58 for example is not listed ?

- I have seen reference to a 48p ( I hope thats correct) what does that mean ?

Thanks a lot for sharing the info

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Posted 29 April 2009 - 05:54 PM

- Where does one get this chart ( as TT01 above ) for other models ( like TA05 ) - the mentioned website shows only the FDR calc for all possibilities

Most of the time, you can get a gear chart for your car in the kit manual, but they don't always list full charts for space reasons. A TA05 manual has the chart listed above in it (just the kit spur gear), but its very chassis specific. The other options are to Google like crazy and hope someone's made one, or get busy with Excel or something, and create your own (but that would take a mighty long time :lol:).

- what does one mean when you say only certain gears and pinions can go together , and as per above chart 26/58 for example is not listed ?

The will mean that a small pinion probably can't mesh with a small spur gear (and big pinion with big spur) because you can't physically move the motor into the right position to get it meshed. With my Xray T2'008 on 64dp and a 104t spur, the smallest pinion I can fit is a 30t one. :lol:

- I have seen reference to a 48p ( I hope thats correct) what does that mean ?

DP stands for diametric pitch, its the angle and profile of the tooth of a gear. For RC use these days, there are a few types of gears on sale:

Imperial:

32dp (Mardaves, E-Maxx's, E-Revos etc. Aggressive pitch so noisey, but very strong)
48dp (Majority of cars on the market, long lasting and fairly quiet)
64dp (High-end race chassis (touring cars, 1/12th etc), very fine pitch, very quiet and efficient, but weak)

Metric:

Mod-1 (1/8th buggy conversions, very aggressive, noisy but silly strong)
0.6 Mod (Tamiya pitch, TT01, TL01 etc, strong and noisey)
0.5 Mod (Tamiya pitch, TA04 etc, finer pitch, quiet)
0.4 Mod (Tamiya racing chassis pitch, TRF 415 range etc, very fine pitch, but weak)

(note, Tamiya never released a list of what runs what, so these 0.4/5/6 listings *may* be wrong)

Pitches can't be mixed (48dp pinion with 64dp spur etc. Metric and Imperial can be mixed, but they will wear themselves out over time, so its not really worth it.

48dp is the most popular gear pitch on the market.




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