Castle Creations Statement re. XLX2 and MMX8S

So it was the motor.....

Yeah, they did say a while back (unofficially) that there seems to be a problem with D-wound motors, some pulling up to 600 amps just through the initial startup beeps. 

 

I'm not deep enough into engineering to understand any of it though, where the difference between D and Y wound motors comes from (in terms of power load), and how "obvious" it should've been through prototyping. 

 

Does mean my 1717-1650 is fine though, didn't expect anything else after the few runs i did where the motor/esc were basically stone cold after a run. So that's an upside. 

 

That said: while there absolutely is the argument that this obviously shouldn't have happened with the XLX2, even if talbots motor wasn't a D-wound motor (which it is), it's still stupid to run that can on 8s. Especially after it already killed a 12s ESC. But: can't really blame others who run "in-spec" D-wound motors, like lets say an 1800kv can or something (d-wound) and their ESC popped. How were they supposed to know.

 

 

looks like it but why wasnt that picked up before release tho ?

was it maybe a case of our motors work sod the others ?

2 minutes ago, Stormbringer said:

looks like it but why wasnt that picked up before release tho ?

was it maybe a case of our motors work sod the others ?

 

Yes probably it was.

They should have released all this information prior to putting them on sale.

If it can't handle XYZ, make it obvious.

I am a fan of Castle, but they have messed up here.

Both in not enough testing/information before release and calling hobbyists liars etc..

 

Wow didnt know brushless motors could be wound differently

i remember back in the day with fast electric boats folks used to rewind the armatures of 540 motors so that they were wound in same direction to give a speed increase as factory wound 1's were machine wound and were wound in different directions as it was cheaper to produce🍻

I’d say Castle have a big problem coming now 

 

Had they of made this information available beforehand folks may have not bought them so there liable now for damages are they not ? 

 

 

Be interesting to see how this all pans out 😂

I can see the ESC being discontinued veryquickly. It's not a software fix it's a redesign and/or hardware change fix. 

 

With smaller motors Delta Winds is the industry stsndard. It sounds like it was tested and rated for only  Castle motors to keep you in their ecosystem. Of course RCers push boundaries very quickly. 

So a lot of people (not on here) owe Kev an apology

52 minutes ago, Guns said:

So a lot of people (not on here) owe Kev an apology

 

Some people on here also do as well.

I said I'm not his biggest fan, but that wasn't his fault, if the information wasn't made available.

I am also a semi-Castle fan, but yeah, this clearly was designed only for there own motors.

Bad move when there aren't enough motor options for everyone anyway.

I saw a lot of people say that they had them blow using sub 2000kv motors. 

 

Castle are to blame however everything has it limit and perhaps they should have published it before selling them. I find it odd that a company such as Castle didn't test it using a range of motors as they knew that the people who would be pushing it to it's limit wouldn't always be using their motors. They have kinda shot themselves in the foot here. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Guns said:

So a lot of people (not on here) owe Kev an apology

 
 Be interesting to see if they post a reply in regards to him and his experience 

 

Just goes to show we should not judge before all the facts are in SORRY KEV 😂👍

I value @Kevin Talbot views because he says what it is. No hiding, no softly soft comments. Just how it is. All honest. That's what makes him a good YouTuber.

I don't think lack of testing was the issue, they simply shouldn't release any ESC that can't operate both types of wind. 

 

I've always loved their ESCs, can't see that changing anytime soon. 

Was I the only one to have issue's with the Original Mamba Monster Max? I went through a fair few of them, and they were always replaced under warrenty (with the exception of one I got via Tower, probably wasn't worth the attempt getting that resolved?), but it really knocked my confidence in the brand. Im sure at the time, lots of people had issue's with the MMM but maybe not, as they seem to still have a very strong following? The Sidewinder's were awfully unreliable too in my experience!

My MMP is donkeys years old now and still works just fine.  having said that I keep within recommended limits, which for the rigs I've run it in thus far, have been more than adequate.

33 minutes ago, bertberr said:

My MMP is donkeys years old now and still works just fine.  having said that I keep within recommended limits, which for the rigs I've run it in thus far, have been more than adequate.

MMP I had success with. MMM however.

The MMP was one of the worst esc they made, much like the of MMM they all got revised about 3 times before Castle got it right and don’t get me started on Sidewinders 🤣🤣🤣

I’m just glad I’m too tight or too poor to avoid them in the first place 😂😂

24 minutes ago, .AJ. said:

The MMP was one of the worst esc they made, much like the of MMM they all got revised about 3 times before Castle got it right and don’t get me started on Sidewinders 🤣🤣🤣

I was gonna say I distinctly remember Castle  having a horrific track record, then everyone moved onto Hobbywing stuff and all was good with the wolrd. I leave the hobby, come back and everyone loves Castle again?? Really confused me, but I must admit I thought it was me miss remembering stuff?

They were a complete joke at one point, I think getting the HPI and Traxxas OE electrics gig made them sort their shiz out 

They also do/did esc's for Blade helicopters as well 🍻

I wouldn't say they were a joke, the main problem I saw was every man Jack and his dog using the MMM in heavy 1/8 trucks geared to the moon and caning them hard. Trouble was they were only rated to 120 Amps, they needed to up that to 150 and make sure the burst rating was also high. 

 

That's my view, could be wrong, but if it is wrong it's unintentional. 

We used to run them massive cheapo Hobbyking 150a escs because the MMM was so unreliable