Ziggy122 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Right I wanna get on the road But im not allowed a motorbike.... the family has too much history with bike accidents And cars are a tad too much to maintain... as well as lessons and stuff but since they are smaller engines - less fuel costs - and low maintance etc etc My main questions are - What licence - car or bike? or both? - Insurance? what they like? - is there like a 3 year restriction on how long they can go for on the road? - where can i learn? - where can i buy 1? - any other facts i shud know Ziggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris52 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 i would say full car licence as it has 4 wheels. insurance would be dear i should think chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy122 Posted March 28, 2007 Author Share Posted March 28, 2007 i would say full car licence as it has 4 wheels. insurance would be dear i should think chris when isn't it dear for a 17 / 18 year old which has just passed there test? Ziggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc 4 life Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 i think you need a full bike licence and then to do like part of the car licence test. not completely sure, but will ask my dad tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris52 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 when isn't it dear for a 17 / 18 year old which has just passed there test? Ziggy sorry mate for a 17/18 year old it would be astronomical chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sea118 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 for a car its about £2000 insurance for that age. mad as chips. i would expect a quad to be dearer; less stable, easier to nick, more prone to break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover Man Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 for a car its about £2000 insurance for that age. mad as chips. i would expect a quad to be dearer; less stable, easier to nick, more prone to break Especially if ziggy gets his hands on it Sorry mate DAVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom30 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Just had a look you need a full car liscence or full bike (pre 1999) as for insurance have a look at these prices would double prob if your around 17. Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy122 Posted March 28, 2007 Author Share Posted March 28, 2007 Especially if ziggy gets his hands on it Sorry mate DAVE. What u on about :whistling: I've never broke owt *giggles head off* Ziggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Think full bike if it has single seat is ok, car otherwise although I could be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hpi_matrix_stock Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 for a car its about £2000 insurance for that age. mad as chips. i would expect a quad to be dearer; less stable, easier to nick, more prone to break £2000 if you're a mug. None of my friends pay above £1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turner Boy Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 You definatly need a full car licence, my garage sells brand new ones with 12 month warrenty but they like £2000 and were the cheapest on the market (weve checked) it would be easier to get a cheap run around car. insurance will be very very expensive for a youngster on a quad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Caveman Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Right, for starters you need a car license (full, so take your lessons and test in a car as normal) and you can happily ride a quad....from the age of 19. I say from the age of 19, you will not...i repeat, you WILL NOT get insured on a quad under 19, if you do then you will be looking at 'specialist' sort of insurance and you will be lucky to get insurance under 3 grand. If you are 19 its about 700 quid, over 21 about 300. They are very different from riding a bike or driving a car....they are very unstable, and due to solid rear axles (unless you get one with a diff) they corner like a snail on acid....both rear wheels are turning at the same speed remember! Any info you need on quads...post or PM me and i will be happy to help to the best of my knowledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan1010 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Ziggy, try Adrian Flux for insurance. They do both of my "specialist" vehicles (both American gas guzzlers and insured for business use) for about the same as a "normal" car, and they have a division that specialises in quads. http://www.adrianflux.co.uk/quads-detail-go.php It costs nowt to ask!!!! Me? I'm up for a quad for the summer, might even get a 4x4 one!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy122 Posted March 29, 2007 Author Share Posted March 29, 2007 What ever i do its gonna cost ££££ Due to my age its gonna cost even more.... I know that quads are lock diffs its just a cog on a solid axle which is spun by a chain attached to a motor But i gotta look at options to see what is out there tbh Ziggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J C Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 You're gonna end up spending thousands anyway with a car/quad, might as well go for a car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan1010 Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 (edited) What ever i do its gonna cost ££££ Due to my age its gonna cost even more.... Everybody's the same Ziggy. Just don't do what my mate did and got insured as a named driver on his parent's policy. When the time came that he needed insurance in his own name, they crucified him despite being older and wiser. My opinion, FWIW; No claims bonus is assessed as a percentage of the policy price so rack up a few years' NCD on whatever is relatively cheap to insure and then when you transfer it to something dafter (like my 2 american cars, group 16 and 17), your NCD will jump in value tremendously and make the policy bearable. I know that quads are lock diffs its just a cog on a solid axle which is spun by a chain attached to a motor But i gotta look at options to see what is out there tbh Ziggy Depends on the quad, mate. If it's going to be your primary transport keep away from the cheaper end and buy something used but with a proper drivetrain. That's one of the main reasons I'm going the 4x4 route with min, better cornering with real diffs. Take some vehicle details from the ones on sale on the 'bay or exchangeandmart.co.uk and plug them into the webpage I linked you to earliuer. Like i said, it costs now to ask. Edited March 29, 2007 by allan1010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Caveman Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Allan....not all the quads without diffs are 'cheap'..we run 2 LTZ400's, they have solid axles, as do the kawasaki's equivlanet, and the yammy raptor 700. Its only the tractor toms (as i call them..4x4 thingies) and the more road designed quads that have diffs. Its ok having a solid axle i the wet on the roads, even better in the snow...you just slide your way round (really, they go round corners better sliding than normal riding ) but if its dry they literally bounce round Or do the sensible thing, and get a bike ...Maybe £60 for a few lessons, £20 for your theory, £60 for your test and get a gs500, cb500 or something for about 1500 in real good nick and get it insured TPFT for about 400/500...more fun than a quad on the roads, damn sight more fun than a car and tyres last more than 600 mile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan1010 Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Allan....not all the quads without diffs are 'cheap'..we run 2 LTZ400's, they have solid axles, as do the kawasaki's equivlanet, and the yammy raptor 700. I didn't say they were! LTZ's, Raptors, Big reds etc certainly aren't at the cheap end of the market. You took what I said, which was in regard to Ziggy's having a primary means of transport with a good transmission so he can out some reliable miles on it, and added in my second comment about my desire for a 4x4 with real diffs and got a conclusion that I didn't intend. Maybe I should have made myself clearer, sorry. The original comment still stands; buy a good quality quad even if you have to buy secondhand as it'll be better engineered for durability and of course with the huge amount of different far eastern imports available, parts are easier to come by (and often cheaper) for the established brands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy122 Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share Posted March 30, 2007 hmmmm i want to be different to everybody else as well Sure i'd love to drive - BUT i wouldnt be able to get out that often I might have to scrap the Quad idea and look at getting a motorbike (NOT A MOPED!) Even tho there just as dangerous tbh... Ziggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan1010 Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Ziggy, there's no such thing as a dangerous vehicle (unroadworthy stuff aside); it's the driver or rider that makes the difference to the accident rates. If you're a good rider or driver you have a high likelihood of being safe because you're switched on and well aware of the others in traffic around you, then if THEY make a mistake you can compenate and stay out of trouble. Plus you'll know your own limits and those of your vehicle & the weather and you will be riding/driving within them. Sadly, you do have to compensate for the inability of others to be safe out on the roads today and even more so if you drive any kind of small vehicle. If I could give any new guy setting out on the roads for the first time some advice, I'd say "Always leave yourself a way out" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefshark Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 i agree with Allan it is the rider or driver that makes a vehicle dangerous not the vehicle ive crashed my bike twice both at slow speeds once on desial because of some foreign truck driver and the second was my fault lost concentration in traffic as some one was speeding up behind me and i thought they weren't going to stop which ended up in me hitting a Mercedes rear light at very slow speeds just cracked it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy122 Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share Posted March 30, 2007 partly what my mum says... Cause sure i'd be a careful rider - buts its the other idiots on the road that are the problem.... I do react quickly - i have when speeding across junctions If i make a quick discission i'll keep it going - i dont hesitate really Ziggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hpi_matrix_stock Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 (edited) If your a good driver or not, driving a motorbike is a hell of a lot more dangerous then driving a car. You have much less traction and not alot to protect you. Pretty simple that there more dangerous really Edited March 30, 2007 by Hpi_matrix_stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy122 Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share Posted March 30, 2007 If your a good driver or not, driving a motorbike is a hell of a lot more dangerous then driving a car. You have much less traction and not alot to protect you. Pretty simple that there more dangerous really All in all Yes that is true alot motorbikes tend to speed more 8-) Ziggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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