dubnut1 Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I recently bought what I was lead to believe was a team Orion brushless motor & speed controller combo from a local RC model shop. I got it home and fitted it straight away. After timing everything up as it should be, I then ran the motor for about 3 minutes - after which the motor and the ESC were way over temperature. Thinking this could be a gearing issue, I proceeded to change the pinion gear from 13-tooth to 11-tooth but still no joy - it was burning hot! I switched the car off and disconnected the battery. I then checked the meshing of the gears and found that it was running completely freely and as it should. Upon removing the motor and ESC, I found that both looked very dubious and bared no resemblance to any Orion product I have seen before. Stickers/decals looked as if they had been cut out with scissors and there was no information on the motor such as model number/serial number, number of turns etc. The ESC was a strange, flat type normally used in RC Aviation, not cars and it has no amp details at all on it. Neither the motor or the ESC came in genuine Orion packaging - the model shop had re-bagged them in their own branded packaging. I have google searched for both the motor and the ESC but cannot find anything that resembles either of them. Can anyone offer any advice/thoughts? Any help would be appreciated! PHOTO'S BELOW: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuttyProfessor Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Another forum member bought exactly the same set up, its a genuine article but is new old stock from at least 10 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitroholic Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I'd be taking that back to the shop and asking a few questions. Dumping of old stock in replacement packaging is very naughty indeed. Doubly so when it's not fit for purpose. One question ... have you shortened the motor wires? Not all motor wires can be shortened, and the bare wires around the soldering could easily short Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubnut1 Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 ive not shortend any wires at all buddy thats how it came. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capri-boy Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 How did you find Manor today? Would love to know which lhs sold you this btw.... it does indeed look like a plane esc and if so is not suited to ground use from what I've read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubnut1 Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Hi Capri, Sorry, i'm not sure what you mean - Manor? The shop I got it from was called Al's hobbies, in Wolverton, Milton Keynes. Thanks for confirming my suspicion about it being for planes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capri-boy Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Hi Capri, Sorry, i'm not sure what you mean - Manor? The shop I got it from was called Al's hobbies, in Wolverton, Milton Keynes. Thanks for confirming my suspicion about it being for planes! My bad - your sig cars and issues are extremely similar to a guy I bumped into at Manor RC today - he had 2 Mavericks for his kids and smoked a new esc in 3 mins. I'm not saying that is a plane esc, if it's 10yr old NOS then back then I was still running Nitro and BL was an expensive diversion for others as far as I was concerned. It certainly looks like one though. I've found Team Orion very slow in responding to inquiries but it may be worth contacting them to find it if it is one of there's... The soldering job on those bullets is terrible, i'm assuiming by the esc you plugged them directly into it? They could well have shorted. I would indeed be returning it the lhs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean-vrs Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 That's got a short written all over it, don't go running that mate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evssv Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) and seeing the motor wires so short and how they plug in it would make sense it would fit inside a aircraft body. ..One in front the other to keep things slim... Edited March 9, 2015 by evssv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capri-boy Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Looking around, as i've nowt else to fill my time tonight atm, there have been some micro esc's that aren't dissimilar, though I can't find one similar to this. So far the closest match, going back to 2001 is this: I cant get a better photo but you'll note the black heatsink but the receiver wires are the usual white black red, (like Orion seem to use) not the black brown orange like the op's. It's not this, as this one doesn't have the dip switches to program but it's the closest yet. Orion avionics esc's look similar, though have a blue heatsink, black red white receiver wires and hard soldered motor leads - on the ones I've found anyway. I'm intrigued. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capri-boy Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Found it, it's not a fake. Looks like it was produced / cloned off a schulze future esc: It doesn't seem to have a lvc for lipo , though a 2S lipo shouldn't have overvolted it. It looks to date to around 2003 and part number seems to be ORN63000 or ORI63000 or 630001 for a pro version. The shoddy labeling probably suggests they just bought and repacked the schulze, If it is the schulze it's not very powerful relative to modern stuff, and the lack of fan or even decent heatsink suggests it needed to be placed in a large amount of airflow. That it's a dual purpose air/land only further supports this. It seemed to have a rrp of 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shdaxner Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Did you not notice the shoddy labeling and horrendous soldering prior to fitting it in your car? Surely anybody buying that would think hang on a minute this does not look right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nitroholic Posted March 9, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2015 Grab your receipt....brush up on the Sale of Goods Act .... and get back there for a refund. 1) Odds on that is not a new piece of gear...it's been modded and had at least the connectors replaced. no factory ever shipped soldering that bad. Not even the cheap Chinese toy grade stuff. A bit of heat shrink would sort that...but they didn't bother 2) Based on the age of the stuff, it's been sat around fora long time! 3) I would say for sure it's been fitted into something, probably a plane ... which would explain both the chopped back wiring and the removal of the plastic outer. That's the sort of thing you would do to fit it into a very tight space. 4) It clearly doesn't work properly, and is either knackered or just totally unfit for the use you are putting it to. Unless the guy sold it to you for a fiver as something he had 'lying around' that might sort you out .... and if he didn't tell you anything about the stuff done to it...then he's got a bit of explaining to do! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turok007 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 the can is in a right state for only being used a little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeghead28 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 If that was new I would never have bought it. I had assumed the seller had done that to the motor connectors not that it was bought like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Which model shop? Handy to know who to avoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brit_bulldog Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Dubnut, What model have you fitted it to? it should be fine in a 10th car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evssv Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Which model shop? Handy to know who to avoid Al's hobbies, in Wolverton, Milton Keynes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) Same seller as last time, visited his site on 15/01. Doesn't actually list that combo on the site...dubious, IMO. Very poor show indeed, to the vat with him and his shoddy back stock selling!!! Edited March 9, 2015 by Noj 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubnut1 Posted March 9, 2015 Author Share Posted March 9, 2015 BIG BIG THANKS GUYS!!! you have all been very helpful!! i took it all back today and got a full refund! in all fairness i should have looked at the condition of the motor before i took it realy instead of getting so exited about going brushless like a 5 year old, but the fellas in the shop did agree that how it looked out of the packaging was not so good, they told me that it was old stock that they bought out a few years ago & that this particular motor was obviosly faulty from the get go. im glad it all went smoothly as all other transactions ive had with this store have been faultless and they are a great bunch of lads! thanks for all the input you guys on the forum put in as it helped ALOT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuttyProfessor Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 No bother chap, only reason I said anything was a few weeks ago, another forum member had the same problem so luckily I knew the setup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubnut1 Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) no worries NuttyProfessor just got to work out what pinion i should be running from my FDR 9.941 for my new motor now.....more confusion! Edited March 10, 2015 by dubnut1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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