bunnie Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Hi all, I'm currently using Byron's 25% but seen a few good reviews on VP Powermaster. I'm thinking about trying some when my current bottle is finished. Has any on here made the switch? Any pros and cons? Any info much appreciated Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jony nitro Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Head over maxbashing gray.g the mod uses it, and few others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnie Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Head over maxbashing gray.g the mod uses it, and few others Will do.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini-z-awd Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 ive heard the vp fuel aint the best stuff as it has no oil in it too lube the bearings so the engine will end up seizing. i am sure a guy on here called cotter had that happen to one of his race engines when he was trying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnie Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 ive heard the vp fuel aint the best stuff as it has no oil in it too lube the bearings so the engine will end up seizing. i am sure a guy on here called cotter had that happen to one of his race engines when he was trying it. That's defo not good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.K Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Byrons Race all the way! Just stay away from RTR stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie1 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I used to run byrons then i started to use optifuel, i never noticed a difference but i dont race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I did the same. Optifuel was more smoky for the same fuel mix - Byrons runs cleaner. Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr2096 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I use VP 25%. Never had a problem with it on 5 engines I've ran it on. Contact Chris here Adrenaline RC.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurcyP Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Its heresay but ive also heard bad news about VP ...id stick with byrons, optifuel, racing experience etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr2096 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 As for the front bearing issues? only heard of it on Novorossi engines. VP runs great on Reds engine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboyneil Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Mouth wash fuel only to be used by experienced racers its a total synthetic mix of fuel and if my memory is correct they had to bring out additives to add to it as people had problems with certain batches that didn't lube the engine enough and certain racers will only use for short periods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotter Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 ive heard the vp fuel aint the best stuff as it has no oil in it too lube the bearings so the engine will end up seizing. i am sure a guy on here called cotter had that happen to one of his race engines when he was trying it. Someone's been telling porkies then. Vp ran fantastic for me during the summer but i struggled to tune it when the weather started getting colder as I think it has a narrower tuning window and i ain't the best at tuning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini-z-awd Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Someone's been telling porkies then. Vp ran fantastic for me during the summer but i struggled to tune it when the weather started getting colder as I think it has a narrower tuning window and i ain't the best at tuning. i only quoted what i heard but i wasnt sure if it was you or someone else who it happened too lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnie Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 Thanks for all the replies. Seems there ain't a clear cut answer. I've seen some good, some bad and some in between answers. I might just try a gallon and see how it goes. Worse case I'll just go back to byrons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ms_sjo Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 ive heard the vp fuel aint the best stuff as it has no oil in it too lube the bearings so the engine will end up seizing. i am sure a guy on here called cotter had that happen to one of his race engines when he was trying it. This is nonsense. Look here to find out what's in the fuel: http://www.powermasterfuels.com/images/msds/Nitromethane10-30_RSD-ISS-MSDS-NA-US.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthoop Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Mouth wash fuel only to be used by experienced racers its a total synthetic mix of fuel and if my memory is correct they had to bring out additives to add to it as people had problems with certain batches that didn't lube the engine enough and certain racers will only use for short periods VP is a mix of castor and synthetic.....Optifuel is only synthetic...... http://www.powermasterfuels.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Itemid=9 http://www.optifuel.co.uk/Catalogue/Products.aspx?pid=103&cat=85 I have used both Byrons and VP, the VP has a little less oil content but both run well and tune easily. I would not touch Opti with a big long stick..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboyneil Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 My bad getting fuel brands mixed up can relate to optifuel been using some of the hpi branded stuff and boy it ain't nothing like byrons might have to try some vp then just don't know anywhere that stocks the stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotter Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 i only quoted what i heard but i wasnt sure if it was you or someone else who it happened too lol Aye, I dont doubt thats what you were told, its just there seems to be a bit of info makes it's way from CSOR to bathgate and so far it seems to be mostly wrong so I wanted to give the correct info. I have had an engine issue, but that was as the bearings started to get a bit play in them. I dont think it was anything to do with the fuel though, as someone else at the club got the same engine (RB Blast v9) at the same time and there bearings went as well but they werent using VP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotter Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 My bad getting fuel brands mixed up can relate to optifuel been using some of the hpi branded stuff and boy it ain't nothing like byrons might have to try some vp then just don't know anywhere that stocks the stuff I got mine from Adrenaline models. Think they may e the sole importer from the states. They also have a basher fuel now, which is cheaper ( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ms_sjo Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) VP is a mix of castor and synthetic.....Optifuel is only synthetic...... http://www.powermasterfuels.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Itemid=9 http://www.optifuel.co.uk/Catalogue/Products.aspx?pid=103&cat=85 I have used both Byrons and VP, the VP has a little less oil content but both run well and tune easily. I would not touch Opti with a big long stick..... Just pure castor according to the MSDS. 10-12%. That total oil percentage is comparable to other fuels, like Bryons, Optifuel Race, MT BigBang etc. Pure castor though will varnish an engine over time, definitely something to run after-run oil through if leaving the engine for more than a few days. The problem with a fuel like this is the castor will help seal the engine as parts of it wear over time. This is all good, for the most part, however when you then switch to a pure synthetic fuel with additives, it will 'clean' the engine (again over time), removing the deposits left by the castor oil and you will lose some compression in the engine. Unfortunately a quick switch back to castor won't instantly fix the problem! Edited January 2, 2014 by ms_sjo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr2096 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Yes they are the sole UK importer of VP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumpystig Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Surely the basic make-up of fuel is very similar, so what it comes down to is personal choice and preference. I mean, can two different brands of fuel used in the same individual engine have a marked effect regarding performance, temperature etc. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthoop Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Just pure castor according to the MSDS. 10-12%. That total oil percentage is comparable to other fuels, like Bryons, Optifuel Race, MT BigBang etc. Pure castor though will varnish an engine over time, definitely something to run after-run oil through if leaving the engine for more than a few days. The problem with a fuel like this is the castor will help seal the engine as parts of it wear over time. This is all good, for the most part, however when you then switch to a pure synthetic fuel with additives, it will 'clean' the engine (again over time), removing the deposits left by the castor oil and you will lose some compression in the engine. Unfortunately a quick switch back to castor won't instantly fix the problem! If you look at the VP link I gave, the car fuel I have used is a castor/syn mix with a total oil content of 9%, it is most definitely not castor only. I would not use a fuel that is fully synthetic in a car engine nor recommend it. They also have a basher fuel now, which is cheaper ( Edited January 2, 2014 by Anthoop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makinpower Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Hi Guys, I am the Importer of VP Fuel, and having been sent a link to this, i thought i would get involved and hopefully give some anwsers, Feel free to fire all questions or concerns you may have and I will hopefully get them straight if not I know a man who does I got excited when I first seen the VP Powermaster Advert in the states and having used VP Racing Fuels in my Motocross bike i knew I had to get hold of this fuel, it was first in the UK last October and having spent alot of money on stocking it, that was the easy bit, now once the fuel was in my shop, I knew I had to promote it and get it known and managed to get some decent guys testing it who come back with good results, I tried getting shops to consider the stocking the fuel but never heard anything back so thats why I sell it direct, with everything going good and people where trying the fuel and liking it, however with all the hard work i was putting into getting the fuel know, it upset some people and they werent happy with this new fuel becoming talked about, Thats when the bad reviews came and I know where its all come from, but hey thats business, I do, as you would imagine run the fuel and I really do like it, ( i know you may think that im bound to say that as i sell it ) but im like everyone else if I didnt like it i would have got rid of it, There have been people saying that the 9% oil is to low, this is down to the Quailty of the oil not the quantity of the oil, yes it is a synthetic/Castor Blend, The castor is very low percentage, I do need to really point out, ive been told that there is some guys who were adding Extra Castor to the VP Fuel and were having problems, Please DO NOT add anything to the VP Fuel, I was very shocked when I heard this and as I was unaware this again caused bad feedback on the Fuel, The main thing I always say when people ask about VP, is VP is here as a Choice of fuel here in the UK I always like a choice, The trouble i was having was people were seeing this fuel and they were slating it without even trying it, and to be fair again the competition in different fuels is very high, Each Brand of fuel is different in their own way, and personal preference is a big thing, if you look at the Difference between Byron and VP Powermaster is that Byron has been in the UK for some time and is sold everywhere, VP Powermaster has been here for over a Year, but I will continue to sell it here in the UK even if theres only 1 person running (apart from myself haha) VP then I will make sure they will have enough fuel to keep using it. I have used all the different fuels available through doing repair jobs and tuning customers cars up and I can honestly say I do see a Difference in Fuels, to the point of where I actually show the customer the difference, with regards the oil content I run the 25% 9% oil and even the 9% oil if i wanted I could get oil dripping from the exhaust, however when we put a tune on a car,( and im guilty also) that the easiest needle to touch is the HSN and it get leaner and leaner and forget to adjust the LSN too causing problems once brakes are applied But we do listen to feedback and one of the things was people are worried about the oil percentage and myself and VP have spoken about this, and the fact that we are going to bring in a 25% fuel with 11% oil to give the people concerned that choice of that blend, and will be due in early Febuary, me personally will be stick to the 9% oil as I do like it, Sorry to go on haha, one thing I would say is just try it and see what you think for yourself, if you do decide to try it, I will look forward to hear your thoughts, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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