@GMballistic wow, great reply, but cutting carbon fibre may not be on my pay grade so to speak, limited tools and near zero workshop area, but at this point lets not rule it out, i know what your saying on PPE, lets wait an see what real size the 120 is and not rulling out a different esc/motor set up even if its just 3s, options are open here, also half interested in a 1/8 like a Hoboa GT