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Pointless adding loads of alloy to a Savage.

 

All you will do is make it slower, heavier, and less reliable.

 

Only bits I put on mine were alloy rear tie-rod deletes. I run thicker IRC chassis plates on one. I spent more time and money upgrading the diffs, using alloy diff cups , HotBodies hardened diff internals and the 19T pinion 'bulletproof' diff ring and pinion sets. Then just shim the diffs correctly.

 

I don;t bother with alloy tank guards now as mine is mid-tanked, so the tank is inboard now.

 

Steering wants a decent 10Kg torque or more metal geared servo. I converted my twin engined XL one to use a 1/5 scale servo....

 

Yours is an older model, so the first thing you want to do is strip it and look inside the diffs. The early ones ( 21 / 25 ) used a single cross shaft and 4 internal gears. The 35/SS had twin cross shafts and 6 internals which are better. If you plan on fitting a big motor....you want BP diffs as fitted to the XL or late model Savage Xs. You also have to watch out for the driveshafts. The later ones were thicker than the early ones...and stronger. You need to match the driveshafts to the diff outputs/axles. 

 

Last thing to watch for......silver/black axles. Silver ones have left hand threads. They ditched them later on ... but if you have silver axles on one side....watch out! They undo the other way :)

 

Unless your gearbox was upgraded...it will be a 2 speed.

 

Seriously...don't waste money on pointless shiny bits. Spend it making your truck better, or save it for when you break it.

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Pointless adding loads of alloy to a Savage.

All you will do is make it slower, heavier, and less reliable.

Only bits I put on mine were alloy rear tie-rod deletes. I run thicker IRC chassis plates on one. I spent more time and money upgrading the diffs, using alloy diff cups , HotBodies hardened diff internals and the 19T pinion 'bulletproof' diff ring and pinion sets. Then just shim the diffs correctly.

I don;t bother with alloy tank guards now as mine is mid-tanked, so the tank is inboard now.

Steering wants a decent 10Kg torque or more metal geared servo. I converted my twin engined XL one to use a 1/5 scale servo....

Yours is an older model, so the first thing you want to do is strip it and look inside the diffs. The early ones ( 21 / 25 ) used a single cross shaft and 4 internal gears. The 35/SS had twin cross shafts and 6 internals which are better. If you plan on fitting a big motor....you want BP diffs as fitted to the XL or late model Savage Xs. You also have to watch out for the driveshafts. The later ones were thicker than the early ones...and stronger. You need to match the driveshafts to the diff outputs/axles.

Last thing to watch for......silver/black axles. Silver ones have left hand threads. They ditched them later on ... but if you have silver axles on one side....watch out! They undo the other way :)

Unless your gearbox was upgraded...it will be a 2 speed.

Seriously...don't waste money on pointless shiny bits. Spend it making your truck better, or save it for when you break it.

Ok that what I'll do then make it better :)
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Cheap upgrades for your savage would be the roll cage and the better battery box off the later models if its still got the one with the 3 R-Clips keeping the lid on which are a pain.

 

I bought this kit, about

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Hmm I'm kinda worried now as I dunno what he sold me yea it's a savage but witch

Would there be writing on the block fir the 4.6?

 

HPI released the Savage 25 with a red shell,and the Savage 21 with a grey and purple looking shell - But we cant tell if the shell might of been changed at some point by the original owner? 

 

If the chassis and shell look equally warn,it might be possible it's the original therefore a 25 :)

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As said, an all alloy Savage would be useless at anything other than looking 'pretty' sat on a shelf.

Diff upgrades should be your first point of call.

Thicker TVPs from the likes of Innovative-RC or Alza Racing are a worthwhile upgrade, not only do they add strength, but they improve the way I'd drives because they lower the centre of gravity. Another weakness that is worth addressing is the bulkhead braces, they are prone to snapping after heavy one-sided impacts, and often take the bulkheads with them. Alza Racing bulkhead braces completely solve this problem.

Alloy does have it's place, but only if you use decent manufacturers and use it where it actually has real benefits (like the above mentioned bulkhead braces) and not just to look shiny.

Savage X A-arms are more than up to the job, my truck is heavy and I'm yet to break one. If you have the old style arms, an upgrade to the Savage X ones are very worthwhile.

With a mixture of Alza and IRC upgrades my Savage is pretty nuke proof now, but there's no need to go that far, just upgrade to Savage X spec whenever you break things and enjoy it!

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Identifying an old Savage is like working out the genetic heritage of a mongrel dog.

 

Don;t bother.......

 

There is so much from the later trucks that swaps over, parts that get replaced are not always the 'original' spec.

 

Heres some thigns to help you work out what you have:

 

Suspension arms.

Savage X has just one mounting point. Savage 35 and older have two...one above and one below. You can flip them over to go left or right, while x ones are only left or only right.

 

Chassis side plates.

X ones have a Big 'X' carved in the side as part of the cutouts. XL ones are longer at the back and have XL.

 

Radio box.

X on have a single clip at the back and slot in at the front. Early ones used 3 body clips

 

Diff housings

These changed completely on the X, and can have the front removed to get the diff out. Early ones require a complete strip. Bumper mounts differ as well.

 

Diffs....

Savage 25 and earlier uses 2 planetary gears in each diff on a single cross shaft. Pop in a big motor and watch them fall apart. 13T pinion gears. 35 on got 4 planetary and 2 cross shafts. Better...but still with the 13T pinion. Late model X got the 9T pinion 'bulletproof' external gears which migrated over from the Flux model.

 

Gearbox.

As far as I know, only XL and SS came with a 3 speed out of the box, but reverse modules were an option on several models. SS was a kit version with upgrades. Most gearboxes will be two speed. Later X models have a seperate top section that allows removal of the slipper and upper shaft.

 

Engines are not diagnostic....any big block will fit!

 

Obviously....as the truck evolved, the driveline got better. Stick a 5.9 motor in a Savage 25, and you will rip the diffs apart in short order.

 

The only way to be SURE what you have is to take it apart and give it a proper service and overhaul. I upgrade the diffs on all my Savages. Fill them with 10K silicon diff oil while I am at it...grease the external gears with CV grease and make sure they are properly shimmed. Do it right....and you do it once :)

 

Fit a decent exhaust....the stock plastic one is poor. Lots of pipes to choose from. There are stiffer springs you can fit on the stock shocks, along with thicker shock oil. That helps a lot and is cheap. Otherwise....you are looking at spending on upgraded shocks/mounts.

 

Just work out what you want from the truck, and we can advise you on how best to get there. The Savage is just about the most moddable truck ever, and it doesn't matter what your start point is :)

 

THIS .... started out as a stock Savage 35:

 

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while THIS started out as a cheap Savage X roller in a very tatty state:

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Oh...and I notice you still haven't learnt the lesson about speed........Run it, and you tell US how fast it goes.

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I've never understood people's obsession with the top speed figure. It's just a number. If your truck is running right and it feels fast enough for you, then it is fast enough, the actual figure is irrelevant.

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Mine started out as a bog standard 3.5 too. Too many upgrades to list later, and this is how she stands now:

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Sure, it's a bit of a 'Trigger's brush' in that there's not really anything of the original truck left, but it's a good illustration Nitroholic's excellent point about Savages, they are such a blank canvas that you can go anywhere with them!

Here's my thread documenting the evolution of mine: http://www.msuk-forum.co.uk/topic/142158-the-evolution-of-drexels-savage/

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Ok so main qestion it appears mine I'd the 25 as seems

Was it worth 150 as I've already been lied to now feel ripped off

But oh well if I can adjust it make it better then I will

Bear in mind your isnt bog standard it has a k4.6 engine which is one of the best engines hpi ever made niro wise and theyres your answer chap

Servo wise need something stronger on a budget power hd 1501 mg 20 quid

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Ok so main qestion it appears mine I'd the 25 as seems

Was it worth 150 as I've already been lied to now feel ripped off

But oh well if I can adjust it make it better then I will

I paid 120 delivered for my boys 3.5 almost 3 years ago now...it was and still is a tidy truck. ...almost fault free the whole time and he beats the crap out of it as kids do.....
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Your engine is a 4.6cc ( .28 ) and is not the motor the truck probably starter out with.

 

For me...RC cars only have 3 speeds.

 

1) Not fast enough .... so I make it faster

2) Fast Enough ... no problem

3) Too fast ... go easy on the gas

 

If you want speed....have a look at Bez's speed machine, and some of the guys doing some proper measured speeds....

 

http://www.msuk-forum.co.uk/forum/141-rc-festival-of-speed-2014/

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Ahh I see now I have 4.6 25 I see what you mean now sorry I'm kinda lost when it comes to things like this

Tbh as long as I can rip the fields to bits I'm happy

Also is there any way I can keep the handle with roll cage ??

Sorry to be a pain as it's a massive learning curve lol

Oh do anyone know we're I can get the manual please

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