FTX Outlaw Owners

[Pete D]

29 minutes ago, bieomax said:

I like it, does it fit well?

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Took a fair bit of trimming and I had to put 2 little holes in the back but yeah it's on there well now 

[6ft4Crawler]

1 hour ago, Bigjimknickers said:

Mines running now, savox 0252 on steering, steel driveshaft fitted, hobbywing 3656 3500kv motor with an old HPI flux vapour esc I found in the bin- ran round the garden sweet as!! Fast too, I'm using the 17T, so is 17T for top speed of acceleration?

17t is acceleration 23t is top speed, but it's more about torque and motor temps, I'd say you would be running much more efficiently on the motor setup you've quoted with a 23T 

[6ft4Crawler]

Glad to see all these new users getting involved ! good to see the outlaw owners is getting bigger 

[johninderby]

2nd that. 

 

Also nice to see the different approaches being used to mod it.

 

        John

[westerlycarrot9]

Alright so congrats to me! I just broken 3 teeth of the stock spur gear  I should probably change it as soon as possible and not run a lot with it  The thing is i want to try out different things with the gearing and make it less fast and more powerful for climbing etc. Besides the 17t pinion gear that is probably needed which spur gear would you suggest? Also, go for a plastic one or a metal one? Has anyone tried below 17t pinion gears? I know it's not supposed to go below 17 but why??  

[Pete D]

15 minutes ago, 6ft4Crawler said:

Glad to see all these new users getting involved ! good to see the outlaw owners is getting bigger 

It's definitely a good truck to mess about with 

[mirakuli]

Hi westerlycarrot9, yes that is the stock spur gear. With this motor 3660/3800kv is the car a beast, for climbing is better sensored motor as wrote John.Pinion is 17t for 5mm shaft.

[westerlycarrot9]

11 minutes ago, mirakuli said:

Hi westerlycarrot9, yes that is the stock spur gear. With this motor 3660/3800kv is the car a beast, for climbing is better sensored motor as wrote John.Pinion is 17t for 5mm shaft.

Have you a tried a 64t spur gear? Also why is it so restrictive with the 17t and 23t pinion gears? Is there no way around this?

[mirakuli]

Table of values Diametral Pitch DP, Circular Pitch CP and modul m

 

 

m	DP	CP
10	2,540	1,237
9,236	2 3/4	1,142
9,096	2,793	1 1/8
9	2,822	1,113
8,467	3	1,047
8,085	3,142	1
8	3,175	0,989
7,58	3,351	15/16
7,257	3 1/2	0,898
7,074	3,590	7/8
7	3,6286	0,865
6,569	3,867	13/16
6,5	3,908	0,804
6,35	4	0,785
6,064	4,189	3/4
6	4,233	0,742
5,558	4,570	11/16
5,5	4,618	0,680
5,08	5	0,628
5,053	5,027	5/8
5	5,080	0,618
4,548	5,585	9/16
4,5	5,644	0,557
4,25	5,976	0,526
4,233	6	0,524
4,043	6,283	1/2
4	6,350	0,495
3,75	6,773	0,464
3,629	7	0,449
3,537	7,181	7/16
3,5	7,257	0,433
3,25	7,815	0,402
3,175	8	0,393
3,032	8,378	3/8
3	8,467	0,371
2,822	9	0,349
2,75	9,236	0,340
2,54	10	0,314
2,527	10,053	5/16
2,5	10,160	0,309
2,309	11	0,286
2,25	11,289	0,278
2,117	12	0,262
2,021	12,566	1/4
2	12,700	0,2474
1,954	13	0,242
1,814	14	0,224
1,75	14,514	0,216
1,693	15	0,209
1,588	16	0,196
1,516	16,755	3/16
1,5	16,933	0,186
1,494	17	0,185
1,411	18	0,175
1,337	19	0,165
1,27	20	0,157
1,25	20,320	0,155
1,155	22	0,143
1,058	24	0,131
1,016	25	0,126
1,011	25,133	1/8
1	25,400	0,124
0,977	26	0,121
0,907	28	0,112
0,847	30	0,105
0,8	31,750	0,099
0,794	32	0,098
0,75	33,867	0,093
0,747	34	0,092
0,706	36	0,087
0,7	36,286	0,087
0,668	38	0,083
0,635	40	0,079
0,605	42	0,075
0,6	42,333	0,074
0,577	44	0,071
0,552	46	0,068
0,529	48	0,065
0,508	50	0,063
0,505	50,265	1/16
0,5	50,800	0,062
0,454	56	0,056
0,423	60	0,052
0,41	62	0,051
0,397	64	0,049
0,385	66	0,048

[mirakuli]

19 minutes ago, westerlycarrot9 said:

Have you a tried a 64t spur gear? Also why is it so restrictive with the 17t and 23t pinion gears? Is there no way around this?

Someone else realized it, look back in the forum

[6ft4Crawler]

1 hour ago, westerlycarrot9 said:

Alright so congrats to me! I just broken 3 teeth of the stock spur gear  I should probably change it as soon as possible and not run a lot with it  The thing is i want to try out different things with the gearing and make it less fast and more powerful for climbing etc. Besides the 17t pinion gear that is probably needed which spur gear would you suggest? Also, go for a plastic one or a metal one? Has anyone tried below 17t pinion gears? I know it's not supposed to go below 17 but why??  

 The only way to run different pinion gears other than 17t and 23t would be to have a custom mate motor mount made up to either reposition the motor accordingly or be adjustable so it can be adjusted accordingly, I did think about it but there is honestly no point 17T on the right motor/esc/battery setup will give you what ever you need from the outlaw, High turn motors give great controllable tourqe for climbing ect and are not to fast, a good sensored brushless setup on a crawler specific esc and 3s for good power also gives a good and most of all smooth crawling setup giving you option of drag brake/and it can raise and lower the % of power given to the motor ect so you really can tune them more on the esc and motor choice than the pinion I think the 17t and 23t are good enough to get you setup for whatever you have planned although more option would be nice you don't really need them 

[westerlycarrot9]

6 minutes ago, 6ft4Crawler said:

 The only way to run different pinion gears other than 17t and 23t would be to have a custom mate motor mount made up to either reposition the motor accordingly or be adjustable so it can be adjusted accordingly, I did think about it but there is honestly no point 17T on the right motor/esc/battery setup will give you what ever you need from the outlaw, High turn motors give great controllable tourqe for climbing ect and are not to fast, a good sensored brushless setup on a crawler specific esc and 3s for good power also gives a good and most of all smooth crawling setup giving you option of drag brake/and it can raise and lower the % of power given to the motor ect so you really can tune them more on the esc and motor choice than the pinion I think the 17t and 23t are good enough to get you setup for whatever you have planned although more option would be nice you don't really need them 

I see. Fair enough then  What about the spur gear? Do you think one with more teeth than the stock one can be placed?

[6ft4Crawler]

Just now, westerlycarrot9 said:

I see. Fair enough then  What about the spur gear? Do you think one with more teeth than the stock one can be placed?

 It's is "Possible" but if you change the size/amount of the th then you have to change the pinion also to match as above the motor mount is t adjustable so you wouldn't be able to take up the gap that will be left or the opposite you won't be able to move the motor away to get the clearance for a bigger spur, If your going to do anything with the spur your best bet is to either have custom made or spend many hours online and cross reference a metal spur of the s!e size/teeth as the outlaw one that is a direct replacement for the stock plastic one or at least a easy mod to be adapted into the outlaw.

 

(p.s I am actually looking myself at the moment also for a metal spur from a different model to adapt into the outlaw)

[westerlycarrot9]

8 hours ago, 6ft4Crawler said:

 It's is "Possible" but if you change the size/amount of the th then you have to change the pinion also to match as above the motor mount is t adjustable so you wouldn't be able to take up the gap that will be left or the opposite you won't be able to move the motor away to get the clearance for a bigger spur, If your going to do anything with the spur your best bet is to either have custom made or spend many hours online and cross reference a metal spur of the s!e size/teeth as the outlaw one that is a direct replacement for the stock plastic one or at least a easy mod to be adapted into the outlaw.

 

(p.s I am actually looking myself at the moment also for a metal spur from a different model to adapt into the outlaw)

I was thinking about trying the 17t pinion gear and the 64t pinion gear that the Yeti and the Bomber use. That was i should be able to achieve more torque and less speed which is what i'm after right now. In fact the Yeti uses a 16t pinion and a 64t spur so the 17t pinion is pretty close. Have you read those two articles of Axial (http://www.axialracing.com/blog_posts/1073910694 and http://www.axialracing.com/blog_posts/1073921336)? This line "Again, bigger pinion, more speed. Smaller spur, more speed." explains it all i think  It basically means that if we use a smaller pinion and a bigger spur we will achieve less speed and more torque. I still don't understand why can't we fit a 16t pinion in there or something smaller. Could it be because of the motor's shaft? Because the mount isn't even the same diameter as the gear.

Edited August 24, 2017 by westerlycarrot9

[6ft4Crawler]

59 minutes ago, westerlycarrot9 said:

I was thinking about trying the 17t pinion gear and the 64t pinion gear that the Yeti and the Bomber use. That was i should be able to achieve more torque and less speed which is what i'm after right now. In fact the Yeti uses a 16t pinion and a 64t spur so the 17t pinion is pretty close. Have you read those two articles of Axial (http://www.axialracing.com/blog_posts/1073910694 and http://www.axialracing.com/blog_posts/1073921336)? This line "Again, bigger pinion, more speed. Smaller spur, more speed." explains it all i think  It basically means that if we use a smaller pinion and a bigger spur we will achieve less speed and more torque. I still don't understand why can't we fit a 16t pinion in there or something smaller. Could it be because of the motor's shaft? Because the mount isn't even the same diameter as the gear.

I've got Spurs from 12t right upto about 50t but you can fit anything other than the 17T or the 23t as there are only two pre drilled motor mounts avalible to cater for these spur gears, I think your getting a little confused and need to pull the motor out to understand the issue. 

[westerlycarrot9]

2 hours ago, 6ft4Crawler said:

I've got Spurs from 12t right upto about 50t but you can fit anything other than the 17T or the 23t as there are only two pre drilled motor mounts avalible to cater for these spur gears, I think your getting a little confused and need to pull the motor out to understand the issue. 

Hm yes i think i'm getting a little confused over the gearing now  Still an amateur on that department i'm afraid xD So the only pinion gears i can put in are the 17t and the 23t because of the pre drilled motor mounts right? But as far as spur gears go, i can fit in bigger or smaller than the stock 62t right?

[6ft4Crawler]

25 minutes ago, westerlycarrot9 said:

Hm yes i think i'm getting a little confused over the gearing now  Still an amateur on that department i'm afraid xD So the only pinion gears i can put in are the 17t and the 23t because of the pre drilled motor mounts right? But as far as spur gears go, i can fit in bigger or smaller than the stock 62t right?

First bit yh but second bit no,

 

Right so FTX Make two motor mounts one for a 17T pinion and one for a 23t pinion.

 

you aren't able to change the spur at all as it's the spur and pinion gear that mesh to feather to give you drive so say for instance you put a smaller than stock spur gear in then the motor would need to be adjusted (which we can't do) to bring the pinion back into contact with the sour..

 

see this pic that's the spur and pinion if either one of them changes size adjustments need to be made to bring the gear back together...

 

 

Also note in this pic the motor

mount has that big slot in to allow you to "swing" the motor back and forth to allow different pinions and spurs to be used, we don't have a slot we just have 2 fixed mounting holes seen here... 

 

 

^^^ Thy is one of the FTX Motor mounts, Not the two round holes are wher the motor is bolted up so there is no adjustment.

Edited August 24, 2017 by 6ft4Crawler

[ADH66]

What's the end aim, Westerly? I've lost the plot completely! Haha

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[westerlycarrot9]

9 minutes ago, 6ft4Crawler said:

First bit yh but second bit no,

 

Right so FTX Make two motor mounts one for a 17T pinion and one for a 23t pinion.

 

you aren't able to change the spur at all as it's the spur and pinion gear that mesh to feather to give you drive so say for instance you put a smaller than stock spur gear in then the motor would need to be adjusted (which we can't do) to bring the pinion back into contact with the sour..

 

see this pic that's the spur and pinion if either one of them changes size adjustments need to be made to bring the gear back together...

 

 

Also note in this pic the motor

mount has that big slot in to allow you to "swing" the motor back and forth to allow different pinions and spurs to be used, we don't have a slot we just have 2 fixed mounting holes seen here... 

 

 

^^^ Thy is one of the FTX Motor mounts, Not the two round holes are wher the motor is bolted up so there is no adjustment.

I think i get it now  So we are basically stuck with the 62t spurs but we can change between 17t and 23t pinions. That kinda sucks  I suppose adjustments in the pinion gear to blend in with a bigger or smaller spur are not that easy to make  

[westerlycarrot9]

3 minutes ago, ADH66 said:

What's the end aim, Westerly? I've lost the plot completely! Haha

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Haha  I basically wanna make the Outlaw have less speed and more torque in order to be able to crawl better. I've compared it with the Yeti which has different gearing and the yeti seems to crawl smoother. Of course this is also because of the locked rear diff  

[6ft4Crawler]

13 minutes ago, westerlycarrot9 said:

Haha  I basically wanna make the Outlaw have less speed and more torque in order to be able to crawl better. I've compared it with the Yeti which has different gearing and the yeti seems to crawl smoother. Of course this is also because of the locked rear diff  

 Try a high turn Motor like 55t or 65t 

[ADH66]

Buy a crawler mate. 

[johninderby]

21 minutes ago, ADH66 said:

Buy a crawler mate. 

 

FTX Mauler perhaps?

 

https://www.modelsport.co.uk/ftx-mauler-4x4-rock-crawler-rtr-red/rc-car-products/420977

 

             John

[ADH66]

 
FTX Mauler perhaps?
 
https://www.modelsport.co.uk/ftx-mauler-4x4-rock-crawler-rtr-red/rc-car-products/420977
 
             John

I certainly will be, end of Sept once u guys have all reviewed it. Keep eyeballing the Scx10 II but it's proper chatty money for something slow.



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[johninderby]

Seriously thinking of ordering a Mauler next week.  

 

At least it takes a 540. Have a suitable Losi sensored crawler motor and Novak ESC that would drop right in. 

 

          John