EvilSalty Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Hi all, I've been eying up a schumacher cougar sv2 pro. Is this a good 1/10 2wd buggy or not? Its only 140 quid vs a b5m for about 215...Both mid motor. But is it good enough to be competitive or not?Before anyone suggests 2nd hand I want to build it myself so that I know it inside out for the inevitable repairs.Cheers for any advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evssv Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) What r people running at ur club? ?always a good sign of what's good or not Edited October 29, 2015 by evssv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PraetoR Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) It'll definitely be competitive, so long as that design suits the track you're running on. I don't think you'd be left wanting.Also, it depends, have you raced before? Most of the time, the driver holds the car back, not vice versa, and a good setup is king over the latest and greatest chassis. For that price, I'd say it's all good, although Si Coe is your man to speak to, when it comes to competition buggies. Edited October 29, 2015 by Praet0r87 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilSalty Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) Not sure yet. Was trying to get an idea beforehand, and also didn't just want to get what everyone else has... will still ask around club first but wanted to check on here too. Edited October 29, 2015 by EvilSalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilSalty Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 Thanks. I have raced before but a long time ago. As long as the car isn't out of its depth then that down to me to practice and improve. Don't want to buy something that would never allow me to mix it in the a finals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deafty Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 you do get more with the b5m. But the schooey will be good.what tack u running on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilSalty Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 Torqay or wellington, so indoor or outdoor carpet. What extra does the b5m give? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex97 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'd wait for the new xray kit xb2 as it looks nice and has good results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Coe Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The SV2 is a decent enough club car, but it is a little fiddly to set up so unless someone else at the club runs one (or used to) and can help its going to be a steep learning curve. A badly setup car makes racing no fun at all. On the plus sides the SV2 is pretty study and Schumacher have good spares support even for models long out of production.If you are new to this you won't be any quicker with something different - you will be a bigger factor than the car. Even after doing this for years I'm still not really much better with my modern buggys than my vintage ones! But that all depends on you being able to drive the car at all. Setup is everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilSalty Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 Thanks mate, that really helps. Are there any other cars between these price points worth considering? Out of the 2 it might be worth paying the extra for an easier set up. Still undecided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Coe Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The normal trick is to look for the hot new model that everyone wants, then get its predecessor which will be being sold off cheaply.Otherwise the Losi 22 2.0 is going for £190 right now. Its tough, well known and those that still use them seem to do well with them. Ditto the Team C TC02 Evo - both been eclipsed by other models but still work well. And the VBC Firebolt is a similar price to the SV2 but I can't vouch for quality or spares support as I've only ever seen 1. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher 46 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Not sure if it really helps out , but I've noticed a couple of my pals have sold their latest car the yokomo yz 2 and gone back to the Schumacher kf , they only run on carpet ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilSalty Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Gonna have to dodge out of work early tonight to check these out. Losi looks good, as does team c but not heard of them before. Basher the kf is nice but more than I'll spend on this car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutting42 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 With 2WD racing buggies, there are three basic types of car..1/ A traditional rear motor buggy designed for use on dirt/clay - the oldest style and all makes have had them but not much use on modern high grip surfaces such as carpet or astro turf. Examples are Associated B5, Losi 22 (can be converted to Mid) and a few others out there. Hardly anyone runs a rear motor in the UK and even in the US they are giving way to mid motors.2/ Mid motor. Despite the name the motors are not in the middle but just in front of the rear axle and offer better front end grip than rear motors but still good traction on lower grip. Examples are Losi 22, Associated B5M, Team C TC2C, Kyosho RB6, XFactory X6 cubed3/ Front motor or "cheater" cars. These started as modified 4WD buggies with the front transmission disconnected to give maximum front end grip and balance for the highest corner speed and agility but are not as good on low grip although this is being engineered out so they can run on lower grip OK. The Schumacher KF series is a purpose-built front motor now in two versions and have been joined by Team C TM2 and XFactory X6-S. The Yokomo YZ2 sort of fits in this category as well.The SV2 is the last mid motor built by Schumacher and is a top racing buggy but from the last generation. You will be fine while you relearn your skills but when you get better and want to maximise your results a front motor is probably the way to go but it can be very track dependent. My track is a carpet and the B5M competes pretty well but it is nearly always won my a front motor.One last point is that the B5M can be converted to what they call a "lay down motor" which moves the motor forward a little as a part way to a forward motor. The Yokomo does this out of the box and is a great car on carpet.I would say get the B5M, it is a great learner car and can go quick with some mods after all it did just win the world championships. Parts are cheap and plentiful from most racing shops 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Coe Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 The thing I've seen is that the further forward the motor is the better it is at winning the A Final, but the harder it is for less skilled drivers to control on anything but the grippest tracks with fresh tyres.I've got a DEX210V2 ('mid' motor) and a Cobra 4210 (Forward motor based on the 210 and 410). Over a single lap the Cobra is undoubtedly quicker, but over a race its practically the same because its easier to make mistakes with the forward motor. The Cobra also needs very fresh tyres and burns through them far faster. The Cobra is the better racer but the 210 the better club car.The car of choice for racers at my club introducing their children to racing is the rear motor B4. Its tough, well understood, simple to set up and very easy to drive which makes it ideal. Ultimately if they keep racing they move on to more modern stuff but the B4 has been proven to be a better starting point. I'm setting up my spare 210 for my eldest to start racing but its going to be in rear motor layout for the same reasons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilSalty Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Great help. ThanksI think its out of a b5m or losi 22 2.0Will ask around at the next race and see what people have. Most important now is being able to get trackside parts. Nothing worse than going home early due to a broken 5 quid part. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher 46 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Losi 22 3.0 just been released , apart from the front , the rest of the buggy is new , looks real tight £250 is good too ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.K Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Losi 22 3.0 just been released , apart from the front , the rest of the buggy is new , looks real tight£250 is good too !Which means you should get a decent 2.0 setup for less money as people change to the new gear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex97 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 there's a second hand b5m with a low gear box on oople, I have a look at that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilSalty Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 Have decided on a Losi 22 2.0 thanks to everyones help. Just waiting for the next local meeting to see what people are racing before buying. As Si said its 190 quid. Interesting point about 2nd hand now that the next model is out but wanted to build it myself really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveyb84 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) Have you considered the Kyosho DBX? Edit - just seen youve decided on the Losi Edited November 7, 2015 by Daveyb84 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher 46 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Plus it's just nice to have somin new from time to time [emoji2] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilSalty Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 Daveyb... don't distract me man! Basher... very very true, and i always wanted a Losi years ago when I used to race my schumacher cat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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