Hebby's HPI Apache C1 Flux.

[stretch]

I was also looking at the sc version but not many about and as it's discontinued i worry about parts availability, one thing i like about it is the sc8 cage fits underneath the shell.

[hebby]

I was also looking at the sc version but not many about and as it's discontinued i worry about parts availability, one thing i like about it is the sc8 cage fits underneath the shell.

The only SC parts needed are bumpers, shell and body posts/mounts oh and not sure but side bars but will have to look into that

Defo thinking of the SC route best thing is the Apache is based on the D8 and Vorza so parts are good

[hebby]

Further inspection all i would need for the SC conversion is a front and rear bumper, body posts/mounts and body shell. then just to move the ESC to the chassis and its done

 

in total around

[Tug]

They run on the same boots?

[hebby]

They run on the same boots?

What you mean mate?

[stretch]

think he means do they run on same tyres

[hebby]

Ah right yeah same tyres and wheels just the SC don't have the Orange beadlock colour

[Tug]

The boots, the shoes, the bits it wears on its feet, the bits that touch the ground.

That's handy then. I love an SC, they look so good, but the shells rarely last.

Back on topic, do it! It'll look good and the closed wheel design protects the suspension during inverted landings.

Biggest downside to an SC shell is all the crud that ends up inside the chassis! Any way of reducing that on the Apache? Or are you not too bothered? My Blitz has an over-tray from TBG, does a fine job!

[Oh How Original]

From my first hand experience of the Apache SC Flux, it needs more power to the rear and more power overall.

The one I used was on 4s with stock electrics.

Not sure what gearing or how well the electrics and LiPos had been maintained though, so that could have had something to do with it's lack in power.

Never got to use it off road though as the lad that let me use it didn't like his RC's getting dirty.

[hebby]

Yeah I have to admit they need a bit more poke

[Oh How Original]

Am I right in thinking this runs the same 120A ESC the others in the range do? (Trophy Flux etc...)

[hebby]

Yeah it's a Q-base 120a. Think I'm gonna try gearing up a bit first see what's what

[Oh How Original]

Well just FYI, running that same ESC and same kv motor, my Losi 8ight-Te was quite a bit faster than my mates Trophy Flux, mine had the same kv motor, same cells but a HW 150a ESC.

I reckon just changing that would improve it by a good margin

[Tug]

But an ESC change can't increase speed, at least not by a noticeable margin.

[Oh How Original]

But an ESC change can't increase speed, at least not by a noticeable margin.

 

Surely if you have more amps and then gear up a bit, that'll do it?

Unless I'm wrong, more amps will pull taller gearing better?

[Tug]

The ESC doesn't govern Amp draw, that's the motor and voltage that dictate that, with gearing to a lesser degree.

[Oh How Original]

So, if it's no better, why exactly do we run 150 over 120? :/ And why is 150 faster?

[Tug]

Take an MT, 6S and a motor of 1800kv or lower, you wouldn't need more than 120 Amps.

Now take the same car and fit a 2200kv motor and you really want a 150 Amp ESC, the higher kv will draw more current. The Mamba Monster Max is only 120 Amps, that could explain the failure rate? After all, most of them are hooked up to 2000kv to 2200kv motors. They would probably fair better if people kept the gearing sensible, but it's Oh so tempting to add a tooth or two?

Sorry, Hebby, have your thread back.

[hebby]

Nah it's all good mate the only reason I would want a 150a combo is for some 6s fun and nothing more as for speed on the same ESC and motor I 100% understand the only real way is to either up the battery to 6s which I know the ESC can't handle or get a bigger pinion and smaller spur

So ATM my funds are limited so I'm going with option B the spur and pinion route

[Oh How Original]

Ahhhhh, that makes a lot of sense.

I know mine was certainly faster on a pretty matching set up, the difference being mine was the 150a and his 120.

Their must have been something different about his, maybe lower pinion or something.

Sorry for the threadjack Hebby

[Tug]

To keep on topic, I have never seen an Apache in the flesh, but it's always better to play it safe, so I'd definitely recommend a 150 Amp ESC, no harm in headroom.

[hebby]

To keep on topic, I have never seen an Apache in the flesh, but it's always better to play it safe, so I'd definitely recommend a 150 Amp ESC, no harm in headroom.

Oh yeah defo got a 150a ESC in mind for the future just whilst money is tight ill buy a spur and pinion

[Tug]

Vids next!

Or should I say "more vids"?

[hebby]

Vids next!

Or should I say "more vids"?

When the crap weather does one i now have a VERY nice DJI Phantom Vision2 + to help with the video footage

Edited April 3, 2015 by hebby

[Tug]

Talking of which, DJI have a few models now, really upping the ante! Look forward to the vids!