New ARRMA Teaser....

4 hours ago, m4inbrain said:

 

Don't get me wrong, as mentioned, it's subjective: i'm not gonna try and talk you out of your opinion - i just don'e share it. I never got stuck with anything on the XXL2e either - it might be "more likely" in theory, but in practice i can't say i've ever noticed. That said: i didn't run my MT as people run their Kratons, either. 

 

And again: it's entirely fine to want a low CoG - i'm saying is, design a truggy then, rather than compromise both. A "monsterfied truggy" doesn't handle well (or as well, rather) as an actual truggy - nor does it have the appeal and habits of a real monster truck. 

 

 

It's a bit late though. Ideally you want people ordering in November so you can fulfil your deliveries until christmas. I can't imagine many things worse than ordering a gift, and the company not making it until christmas. Keep in mind, it comes out close to the beginning of december. That's basically four weeks from reveal (not "being in stock" - that begins after reveal) to christmas. Bit tight. For christmas, you'd roughly want the reveal now (would suit me better, too -.-). 

Yeah I get that. Truggies and monster trucks are two completely different markets and I guess it doesn't make sense mixing them together

39 minutes ago, fnknan said:

Yeah I fully understand that. I guess a lot of flat chassis cars look the same without their shells

 

Yeah, that too. My Savvy has an Alza Racing buggy chassis, looks awesome with our without the shell. 

 

Will they go ally or plastic? (Assuming it's a large-ish MT.)

I'm hoping plastic or composite (something like a sandwich plate). 

 

I'm guessing/assuming it'll be alloy, like the Mojave. Which is technically fine, if they'd use better aluminium, or make the plate at least 50% thicker.

My thoughts are this, seeing as they just did a large scale senton the Mojave I reckon this could be a large scale Kraton. Would make sense as lots of Arrma fans compare the 1/8th Kraton with a Xmaxx and seeing as they have the other large scales all going down the flat chassis route would make sense to stick with it 🤷‍♂️
 

Which would also kinda fit in between the scary market thing mentioned previously as they know fans where thinking if something else maybe 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
 

Just a thought  mind 

Anyone who compares the Kraton to the X-Maxx is.........

 

Moving on, I'll be disappointed if it's something slow. People like their scalers and crawlers, I can live with that, but it just isn't what Arrma do. 

"This just isn't what Arrma do" - it's also not what Traxxas did, until the TRX4. Arrma also didn't do "big scale vehicles" until they did.

 

I'm not saying it's not unlikely, but it'd make a hell of a lot more sense than an Arrmaxx from a companies/fiscal point of view. Costs less to produce, less to go wrong, sells considerably more units even though it's a very niche truck. Lets not forget that they still have to make money. The TRX4 is a flatout success in pretty much all categories. 

 

I agree though, Kraton and X-Maxx are pretty far apart in regards to comparisons. A large scale Kraton, hm.. I dunno, i personally can't see that happen - but that's because i can't really imagine a 1/5th truggy. No idea why either, but to my knowledge, there's none of those around is there? In 1/7 it wouldn't make sense for me at all, too close to the 1/8th. 

I don't agree with "less to go wrong", portal axles have more components, so more to go wrong. Gear shifters, locking diffs, both mean more to go wrong. 

 

Big cars have bigger bearings, bigger everything, and these parts have lasted far longer on all my rigs. 

 

To keep the tills ringing, just smash out big, fun, reliable rigs. Job done. 

The TRX4 Sport doesn't have gear shifters nor locking diffs. Not to mention that it's really a stretch to argue that a crawler goes through the same punishment as a Kraton or X-Maxx does. Yes, portals are more complicated than straight axles, but i didn't argue that whatever Arrma is making would come on portals, did i?

 

There simply is a reason why people bend chassis, break A-Arms etc on a Kraton/X-Maxx/Maxx/Outcast and all the other bashers out there regularly, but the biggest complaint about the TRX are the servos. The mechanisms itself work absolutely reliably both for diffs and gearbox - and the portals are bulletproof. 

Edited October 26, 2019 by m4inbrain

Some more non info from Cubby over at Bigsquid Rc :

 

Got to imagine he's chuckling away with his feet propped up on pre-release version of whatever this marketing ploy turns out to be.

 

I'm starting to think that this release better be good or alot of customers may well be getting a little annoyed that Arrma dangled a carrot on this one.

 

 

 

https://www.bigsquidrc.com/the-cub-report-gone-loco-be-back-later/

 

 

THE CUB REPORT – GONE LOCO, BE BACK LATER

Hello there avid rc fan, welcome to Big Squid and to THE Cub Report. While Ping is busy retiring from the writing game, here I am slaving on. Such is life, shall we dive right on in?

So… the “biggest” news from last week was such that we didn’t even post it??? Yup, that would be the 30 day countdown timer posted by ARRMA. Now, we are all for teasers and such, and we will be posting more teasers as the new ARRMA gets closer, but for now, we’ll just talk about the teasing here.

Scanning the forums and groups across the web, the ARRMA ARRMY sure seem stoked as this might be the “big one” that they’ve long been clamoring for. Ya know, ARRMA has always been different, and in a good way. There very first product was a straight-up bash buggy, a product that came out when “race buggies” were all the rage. That first ARRMA buggy also came with a very innovative transmitter that could be used lefty or righty. Btw, we REALLY MISS that transmitter as it had outrageous amounts of range and totally hooked up the lefties on our staff (we have 2 of them, YIPES). Their first release was a game changer, and since then, ARRMA has done a great job of doing what they are supposed to do- putting out the best products that they can for straight up backyard bashing. Oh, to wrap up this segment, expect more teasing in next week’s Cub Report about that new ARRMA, so stay tuned…

The problem with "teasing" is that it's a knife edge. Done right, it builds hype and boosts sales. 

 

Done wrong, (hyping something mundane, or boring - or not following up on the announcements) it can go very quickly the other way. Seen time and time again in other segments, especially gaming. 

 

I mean, of course i'm curious, but i wouldn't say Arrma is doing it right. Yeah, they announced something, now what? Wait 30 days for a reveal? Throw us a bone or people lose interest. I'm now looking seriously at an X-Maxx because i can't really buy a Kraton right now, can i - and waiting for something like a "left handed transmitter-Kraton" would annoy the living hell out of me. Just tell people what to expect, you don't need to reveal the RC, but you could at least clarify who should hold off with purchases. 

 

And these kinda "teasers" don't help either, like what, Arrma released a basher buggy when race buggies were all the rage - meaning now, when bashers are all the rage, they're releasing a racing vehicle? It's confusing, and to me personally, just annoying.

Thirty days is too long, period. Better not be a scaler or crawler! Talk about dullsville!

Thirty days without announcement or something, yes. 

 

The way it was done with the Capra (i think that had 30 days of lead time too, roughly?) was the right way. Throw a picture every week at people, so they had something to speculate about. Just saying "well we hope you're excited for 30 days now because we got a timer, cheers" is stupid. 

59 minutes ago, m4inbrain said:

Thirty days without announcement or something, yes. 

 

The way it was done with the Capra (i think that had 30 days of lead time too, roughly?) was the right way. Throw a picture every week at people, so they had something to speculate about. Just saying "well we hope you're excited for 30 days now because we got a timer, cheers" is stupid. 

The reason they do it like this is to stop people going out and buying other things making you delay your purchase until their option is on the table. For some people it may be too long to wait, but for other it's good because they know how much longer they have to save or might be able to save a bit more in preparation for a new rc. It seems to be working atm. 

3 minutes ago, Jumper said:

The reason they do it like this is to stop people going out and buying other things making you delay your purchase until their option is on the table. For some people it may be too long to wait, but for other it's good because they know how much longer they have to save or might be able to save a bit more in preparation for a new rc. It seems to be working atm. 

 

That's the problem though. I am in exact that position. Now i'm holding off of a purchase, because it might be something interesting and comparable to the truck i was intending to buy. Now, if they tease something like this and then release like a brushless lefthanded granite 30 days later, then there's "nothing good" other than wasting my time. 

 

It's good for no one without pointing out who should hold off on a purchase. Is it people who race? People who bash? People who want a buggy, a 1/8th, something with big tyres? 

 

Again. Done right, it works - see the Capra. Not my cup of tea, but i knew relatively fast that i don't need to hold off on a purchase (which was my Trail King), because it became clear what it was quickly (at least we knew that it was a rock buggy, then on the next tease we got the portals, etc etc). 

 

"Making me delay until their option is on the table" isn't what's happening. What's happening is that they're making people delay for what might be an option. It's entirely possible that it's actually not an option at all. It's really stupid marketing, and i wonder if the reason behind it is simply that they actually don't have something properly presentable. 

21 minutes ago, m4inbrain said:

 

That's the problem though. I am in exact that position. Now i'm holding off of a purchase, because it might be something interesting and comparable to the truck i was intending to buy. Now, if they tease something like this and then release like a brushless lefthanded granite 30 days later, then there's "nothing good" other than wasting my time. 

 

It's good for no one without pointing out who should hold off on a purchase. Is it people who race? People who bash? People who want a buggy, a 1/8th, something with big tyres? 

 

Again. Done right, it works - see the Capra. Not my cup of tea, but i knew relatively fast that i don't need to hold off on a purchase (which was my Trail King), because it became clear what it was quickly (at least we knew that it was a rock buggy, then on the next tease we got the portals, etc etc). 

 

"Making me delay until their option is on the table" isn't what's happening. What's happening is that they're making people delay for what might be an option. It's entirely possible that it's actually not an option at all. It's really stupid marketing, and i wonder if the reason behind it is simply that they actually don't have something properly presentable. 

They don't specifically care about you. They are just making anyone who might consider an arrma as an option hold out. It benefits them, no the consumer. Although, I guess if it is something good it would benefit the consumer to wait. Even if they make 100 people who were considering a traxxas wait for a month and buy their product instead, they win. 

 

Its obviously going to be a basher, but we just don't know what. 

Edited October 31, 2019 by Jumper

3 hours ago, Jumper said:

They don't specifically care about you. They are just making anyone who might consider an arrma as an option hold out. It benefits them, no the consumer. Although, I guess if it is something good it would benefit the consumer to wait. Even if they make 100 people who were considering a traxxas wait for a month and buy their product instead, they win. 

 

Its obviously going to be a basher, but we just don't know what. 

 

Yeah, that's right. And many of the people will be disappointed, because they were expecting/holding off for A, but Y got released. 

 

There's a reason why others don't do it that way.

41 minutes ago, m4inbrain said:

 

Yeah, that's right. And many of the people will be disappointed, because they were expecting/holding off for A, but Y got released. 

 

There's a reason why others don't do it that way.

but that fact that they waited is all that matters to Arrma.  Loads of companies do this in every sector. Whether you are disappointing or not entirely depends on expectation. 

11 minutes ago, Jumper said:

but that fact that they waited is all that matters to Arrma.  Loads of companies do this in every sector. Whether you are disappointing or not entirely depends on expectation. 

 

That's not true. I can't think of any major release in any sector with prior teaser that literally gave you nothing to expect but asked you to "just wait". Eggphone, Ryzen chips, the Capra etc. 

 

That's exactly the reason as to why you don't do this. Everyone is expecting something else, and everyone who isn't expecting what they're actually releasing will be disappointed and voice it on social media. You always know roughly where things go. This is the equivalent of your wife telling you "there's a surprise in 30 days, you'll see". 

It’s only 3 weeks now 😂.   

 

Teaser are great but you need something to be teased with a countdown clock isn’t it but it does have everybody talking 

 

Trouble is now guys have made there minds up what they want and not everybody is on the same playing field so no matter what it is there will be some unhappy campers. 

If it is going to be a x Maxx rival it’s got to be better than this but remember this is £400 cheaper than the X Maxx ! 

 

 

 

Edited October 31, 2019 by mydoddy69

2 hours ago, m4inbrain said:

 

That's not true. I can't think of any major release in any sector with prior teaser that literally gave you nothing to expect but asked you to "just wait". Eggphone, Ryzen chips, the Capra etc. 

 

That's exactly the reason as to why you don't do this. Everyone is expecting something else, and everyone who isn't expecting what they're actually releasing will be disappointed and voice it on social media. You always know roughly where things go. This is the equivalent of your wife telling you "there's a surprise in 30 days, you'll see". 

you need to watch rc conspiracies, maybe they have given people something, but some people haven't been looking or paying enough attention.    

1 hour ago, Jumper said:

you need to watch rc conspiracies, maybe they have given people something, but some people haven't been looking or paying enough attention.    

 

You mean the youtube channel CCxRC?

 

Those videos are ultralong (partially over an hour) - that's a lot to watch lol.

8 hours ago, m4inbrain said:

 

You mean the youtube channel CCxRC?

 

Those videos are ultralong (partially over an hour) - that's a lot to watch lol.

yes, there has only been one on the new arrma. also all the stuff he gets its from places any normal person could find.   

It's got you all clucking.

That's what they want.

I don't care what it is as I have just ordered a v4 Typhon to truggyfie 😎