Jens Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Ant.p said: On closer inspection, I’m now thinking it could be one of the diffs? I have now fully exposed the spur and it appears intact. it’s definitely slipping somewhere, as I could hear the grinding sound when the break was applied, and also on acceleration. In my haste, I had just assumed it was the spur, but may have ordered this unnecessarily 😱 The sound you describe was the same with me today. Turn the front wheels in parallel. Rear wheel on the floor. If at some point the rear wheels stop moving, then it is the diff. Same test vice versa with the rear wheels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant.p Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) @Jens thanks, I’ve done the test, and there is a ‘click’ where there is maybe a tooth missing? Problem is, the same happens both ways. Could it be that both have failed in a single outing? Is stripping the car the only way to find out which end is damaged? 🕕🕙 🥱😞 Edited March 20, 2021 by Ant.p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ant.p said: Have done this, and there is a ‘click’ where there is maybe a tooth missing? Problem is, the same happens both ways. Could it be that both have failed in a single outing? Is stripping the car the only way to find out which end is damaged? 🕕🕙 🥱😞 Remove the top plate. Take out the 4 screws below the axle. Lift the complete axle out. Diff gears will be visible. Turn and check for missing teeth. Edit: Clicking happens both ways even if 1 diff is damaged. Sorry for the confusion. Watch the center driveshaft moving. Edited March 20, 2021 by Jens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant.p Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jens said: Remove the top plate. Take out the 4 screws below the axle. Lift the complete axle out. Diff gears will be visible. Turn and check for missing teeth. Edit: Clicking happens both ways even if 1 diff is damaged. Sorry for the confusion. Watch the center driveshaft moving. Nice one, thank you. Yeah, I’ve removed the axles a few times which isn’t too much of a chore. I hadn’t realised you can inspect enough without actually undoing the diff casing. I’ll report back once I’ve had a chance to take a look. I just don’t have the time/enthusiasm tonight. @oscart2005looks like the RW Racing spur gears are solid after all 👍🏻 Edited March 20, 2021 by Ant.p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant.p Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 41 minutes ago, Jens said: Remove the top plate. Take out the 4 screws below the axle. Lift the complete axle out. Diff gears will be visible. Turn and check for missing teeth. Edit: Clicking happens both ways even if 1 diff is damaged. Sorry for the confusion. Watch the center driveshaft moving. So I’ve had a look. I couldn’t leave it as it was going to be on my mind until if got to the bottom of it... it’s the front diff for sure, there are 2 teeth missing from the diff drive ftx6230. Haven’t looked at the back yet, but will do later. the issue I have is that I cannot undo the grub screw securing the Centre coupling ftx6237 in place. I remember this from when I replaced all the bearings. I managed to do it then by removing the e clip from inside the diff allowing the shaft ftx6227 to be released. would you recommend this approach again, or do you have a special way of removing stubborn grub screws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain .R Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Jens said: A general message to all those that upgraded their Carnages to the Hobbywing Max10 and 3300/4000KV motors. Or planning to upgrade.... Expect the drivetrain to brake at some point. My damages until today: 6 CVDs. 2 differentials. Went out for a bash today and the pinion of the front diff lost teeth again. I have no idea how to solve the CVD braking/bending without spending a unreasonable amount of money. For the diffs I found one seller that sells hardened steel pinions for the diff. I will give them a try. And I cannot allow any slip in the slipper clutch. With those motors it must be completely tight. Replacing the slipper clutch with a center diff might be a solution. I have to say that the FTX Carnages are not made for that kind of power we have now. Nevertheless: It's fun!!!! Hi m8 can you post an pic of the parts you bust (diffs ) if it's the parts I think I have two sets complete sets brand new in packets from ftx . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain .R Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Jens said: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000562336803.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.38533856R4jToU&algo_pvid=62130544-3f54-434b-9c10-8b1714e4ce9b&algo_expid=62130544-3f54-434b-9c10-8b1714e4ce9b-0&btsid=2100bdd816162625424864064eb4df&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_ Basically, the Carnage is made by VRX Racing in China. They offer upgrades that never make it here for sale. You can search Google for VRX Racing and get to their homepage. But it is extremely slow and not https://. Some browsers don't like it. I got the FTX ones of these 1 packet . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain .R Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Here are these any good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ant.p Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Just now, Iain .R said: Here are these any good Yep, they’re the parts i ordered an hour or so ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant.p Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 I realised that teeth were damaged on ftx6229 aswell, so thought it was best to replace all of it... an expensive day out today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant.p Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Ant.p said: 4 minutes ago, Iain .R said: Here are these any good Out of curiosity, are you selling them? If so, how much for? It’s possible my rear diff needs treatment as well, although I think it’s unlikely on this occasion. What is likely is that this will happen again, especially having two carnage’s on the go. Would be nice to have these parts ‘in stock’. Surely the same applies to you though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain .R Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ant.p said: Yep, they’re the parts i ordered an hour or so ago! Bu44er . How much did they cost you I paid over £43 for these . If anyone can use these £37 free UK postage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain .R Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Ant.p said: Out of curiosity, are you selling them? If so, how much for? It’s possible my rear diff needs treatment as well, although I think it’s unlikely on this occasion. What is likely is that this will happen again, especially having two carnage’s on the go. Would be nice to have these parts ‘in stock’. Surely the same applies to you though? I would if my carnage was running lol if it's just one you need I have a used spare you can have for the postage . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant.p Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Just now, Iain .R said: I would if my carnage was running lol if it's just one you need I have a used spare you can have for the postage . Ah, thanks for the offer, but for the effort it takes to change them, I’d rather know it’s in new condition to give it the maximum lifespan. I paid £14.24 for the diff and £7.59 for the drive gear from Wheelspin models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain .R Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Jens you bought yours . The spare I have is off a low used carnage when my daugher crashed an snapped the chasis she also snapped the screw hole on the tower casing so I had to buy a 2an hand one so I could have the plastic casing as the top plate was not been screwed in to firmly due to the one screw been snapped . So have the big cog small cog and the 2 small c clips . Your welcome to them rather buying all the packet stuff just for one . If jens not bought his yet I'll see if he wants them or if you want them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain .R Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ant.p said: Ah, thanks for the offer, but for the effort it takes to change them, I’d rather know it’s in new condition to give it the maximum lifespan. I paid £14.24 for the diff and £7.59 for the drive gear from Wheelspin models. So you paid £36 plus postage . Ok so £33 free post . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant.p Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Iain .R said: So you paid £36 plus postage . Ok so £33 free post . I only ordered 1 diff. But yes, postage was on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain .R Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) The one i had m8 it was mint i dont think it had been used in think it was stripped in to bits on open the box but up to you m8 it's free just for post cheers Edited March 20, 2021 by Iain .R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain .R Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Aa I bought front and back hench £34 odd on diffs ok m8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscart2005 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Jens said: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000562336803.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.38533856R4jToU&algo_pvid=62130544-3f54-434b-9c10-8b1714e4ce9b&algo_expid=62130544-3f54-434b-9c10-8b1714e4ce9b-0&btsid=2100bdd816162625424864064eb4df&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_ Basically, the Carnage is made by VRX Racing in China. They offer upgrades that never make it here for sale. You can search Google for VRX Racing and get to their homepage. But it is extremely slow and not https://. Some browsers don't like it. Do they also do similar bits for the vantage or do carnage bits fit the vantage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ant.p said: would you recommend this approach again, or do you have a special way of removing stubborn grub screws? I had the problem twice. Once with the Carnage, once with the Rustler. If you don't get the grub screw out, you need to drill it out. No choice. Then replace it. Sad but true. Edit: Don't use a Dremel. It's easier, but you can damage the driveshaft. Drilling will literally take hours. You would need to use left hand drills. It's most likely red threadlocker. The most evil thing in the universe. Edited March 20, 2021 by Jens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 51 minutes ago, Iain .R said: Hi m8 can you post an pic of the parts you bust (diffs ) if it's the parts I think I have two sets complete sets brand new in packets from ftx . . Thanks Iain for the offer. I already have the hardened steel versions. Ordered a while ago for the previous damage. It is basically the gear that is connected to the center driveshaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Iain .R said: Here are these any good Yep. The left one is the one broken. 11 minutes ago, oscart2005 said: Do they also do similar bits for the vantage or do carnage bits fit the vantage? My guess: 90% of the parts are the same. Edited March 20, 2021 by Jens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscart2005 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Jens said: Yep. The left one is the one broken. ant My guess: 90% of the parts are the same. Okay cheers👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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