New ARRMA Teaser....

3 hours ago, babylon said:

The feeling you get from all of this is that the big guys still get a free ride, You get some calling it out for what it is, Some will try and defend it, Some will outright defend it, But if this was something from one of the cheaper brands or Chinese brands, It would be outright slaughtered across the board.

 I can't count how many times it was said on this very forum that such and such cost so much because of R&D, I think that argument, Or justification for the higher prices of some brands has gone right out the window, It has become apparent over the last few years that price is in no way any indication of quality.

 Thing is, It's our own fault, How many times has a car been recommended around here with the caveat that you have to upgrade this, This, And this, Happens all the time, It wouldn't be acceptable anywhere else, But here it's the norm, So they now know they can get away with shipping out substandard products, Are diffs are crap, But we have these hardened ones, Our shocks pop, We have these nice alloy caps, Our chassis bends, Just so happens.

  People used to recommend castle stuff all the time when they used to smoke on a regular basis, Why, Because they had good support and after sales, But downgraded Hobbywing because they allegedly didn't, The fact they never went puff meant nothing.

And I'm not taking a blind bit of notice of someone flashing a bent chassis on YouTube who happens to be flogging or part of upgraded chassis outfit.

 

The only way this will stop is if products are called out for what they are, Bending chassis makes it not fit for purpose, Stripped gearbox in 5 minutes(ECX Ruckus)makes it not fit for purpose, Not ' yer, But it's version 1, I know we'er Traxxas, But give little mate, I know we've made a few diffs in our time, But this is version 1, So it's ok for us to palm chocolate gears of to ya, Cos it's version 1'.

 Yep I agree fella it’s not acceptable for this v1 or even v4 rubbish it should be fit for purpose out the box or determined to be crap Anyway who actually started the whole v1 none sense I can’t even remember now as everyone seems to be using it as an excuse to sell us cheap rebranded China crap 

23 minutes ago, mydoddy69 said:

 Yep I agree fella it’s not acceptable for this v1 or even v4 rubbish it should be fit for purpose out the box or determined to be crap Anyway who actually started the whole v1 none sense I can’t even remember now as everyone seems to be using it as an excuse to sell us cheap rebranded China crap 

Well i mentioned that it was a disappointing V1. I think people are perhaps misinterpreting the meaning of that comment though.

It's not:" oh its a v1 so that's just the way it is",

its actually: "oh it's a V1, so don't buy it unless you want to fix their problems yourself; wait for them to fix it".

And again, it was compared to the XMaxx V1 as that was also pretty badly flawed.

But that was not: "The XMaxx 1 as flawed so that's just the way it is"

It's actually: "The XMaxx 1 was flawed and is now one of the best out of all the large scale bashers, maybe the V2 will be better"

 

This is the same policy I have for almost all things I buy, I always wait for the V2, or at least V1.1.

 

Everyone gets a second chance IMO, otherwise the iPhone wouldn't be one of the worlds best selling phones.

Strangely enough though, a quick look at the Arrma FB groups and there are at least 2 or 3 posts a week by guys showing off their new Kraton 8s. And they're just the ones who use social media. 

 

Looks like it's selling.

8 minutes ago, J.K said:

Strangely enough though, a quick look at the Arrma FB groups and there are at least 2 or 3 posts a week by guys showing off their new Kraton 8s. And they're just the ones who use social media. 

 

Looks like it's selling.

 

There is a handful who regularly post about them, but they are all folk who live to modify and build Arrma based vehicles.

I do agree with the sentiment that we wouldn't accept this from a lower brand, very good point. Money aside, I just couldn't be bothered with this knowing how much wrenching I'd have to do before I could safely run it. 

 

Edit; just found this, dang it does have potential, but at a price!

 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2020 by Tug

On 03/02/2020 at 17:07, Tug said:

I do agree with the sentiment that we wouldn't accept this from a lower brand, very good point. Money aside, I just couldn't be bothered with this knowing how much wrenching I'd have to do before I could safely run it. 

 

Edit; just found this, dang it does have potential, but at a price!

 

 

 

Tug that is a highly modded 8s kraton, think rich has a shortened m2c chassis in that vid which completely changes the truck, doesn't really make it an 8s kraton anymore

Edited February 8, 2020 by Skinso

13 minutes ago, Skinso said:

Tug that is a highly modded 8s kraton, think rich has a shortened m2c chassis in that vid which completely changes the truck, doesn't really make it an 8s kraton anymore

It makes it what I like to call, the 8s (not)out(yet)cast. 😁

21 minutes ago, Skinso said:

Tug that is a highly modded 8s kraton, think rich has a shortened m2c chassis in that vid which completely changes the truck, doesn't really make it an 8s kraton anymore

 

It is indeed highly modified, that's why I linked the vid. This is what Arrma should've released, not the slow and bendy version that's on offer. 

38 minutes ago, Tug said:

 

It is indeed highly modified, that's why I linked the vid. This is what Arrma should've released, not the slow and bendy version that's on offer. 

Arrma is a business that have made a good name for themselves, my opinion is there recent offerings have been very poor, a 3/4s range of their 4/6s vehicles is a company putting no effort in and just looking your money. Now we have a 8s kraton would it surprise you if there is an 8s outcast and so on. I was a big Arrma fan but no so much recently

Arrma is a business that have made a good name for themselves, my opinion is there recent offerings have been very poor, a 3/4s range of their 4/6s vehicles is a company putting no effort in and just looking your money. Now we have a 8s kraton would it surprise you if there is an 8s outcast and so on. I was a big Arrma fan but no so much recently

4s cars have been received pretty well though. They still have a poor servo and a few weakspots, as with almost all RTRs... And of course the STX2 [emoji2961]... but overall they're decent value.

11 hours ago, Paul Busby said:

4s cars have been received pretty well though. They still have a poor servo and a few weakspots, as with almost all RTRs... And of course the STX2 ... but overall they're decent value.

The 4s range is pretty poor to be honest yet again the chassis being the weak spot. Mine wasn’t the greatest and I soon regretted not sending it back for a refund  !  Looked good even feels good bad sadly that’s about as far as mine went leaky shocks  crack chassis stripped gears and a radio system fir for the bin 🥴

Apart from doddy 😂 the 4s range does seem to get a good review apart from leaky shocks and the new radios on all arrma's are terrible. My point is is a smaller version of what you already have is too easy and zero thought put in by Arrma, give us something a bit different

For me the 3s typhon  was not so good for me, a of people recommended it and a lot of people on this forum but why?,  the esc is faulty, I broke the arms in a low speed rollover,  you need the adjustable motor mount because the mesh between spur and pinion is to tight, shocks leak like grazy, servo is not good and the radio, and I had poor runtimes with it 10 minutes on a 5200 3s lipo.

 

I think for the money and what you have to buy on extra parts to make it better, there are better options out there.

 

I was lucky that I bought it for a good price on black friday, so when I sold it I only loss 60 euro on it

 

 

Edited February 9, 2020 by No brains

2 hours ago, Skinso said:

Apart from doddy 😂 the 4s range does seem to get a good review apart from leaky shocks and the new radios on all arrma's are terrible. My point is is a smaller version of what you already have is too easy and zero thought put in by Arrma, give us something a bit different

 Nope even a lot of Arrma fans where not that impressed with the 4s range most reviews I saw all said it was great but in the real world or at least my hands it was pretty bad having a chassis crack take out not only the the diff housing but the diff as well isn’t cheap to fix okay Arrma covered it the first time but next time it would have been on me and it only jumped of the curb ! I wasn’t the only one either to break a chassis have leaky shocks rubbish radio poor gear mesh and so on . I even bought the Hot Racing shocks and motor mount but after that first bump that destroyed it I lost all faith in it, again I’m not alone in this experience. The plastic compound used is too brittle for the chassis imo which seems to be an Arrma trait weak chassis’s! 

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So it looks like Arrma have revised some of the braces and the radio for the 8s. Also conversation about the STX3 replacing the god-awful STX2.

 

Not sure if those braces will be enough, but they should definitely help... and it's about time the STX2 was retired.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Paul Busby

Here are the images for convenience, all from AussieRC's facebook - https://www.facebook.com/AussieRCPlayground/

Edited February 27, 2020 by Paul Busby

Some more pics

Just seen this myself, looks like Arrma are secretly shipping a "v2", but it's pot luck wether you get one or the original.

 

If this fixes it's issues i'd be very interested in one!

3 minutes ago, J.K said:

Just seen this myself, looks like Arrma are secretly shipping a "v2", but it's pot luck wether you get one or the original.

 

If this fixes it's issues i'd be very interested in one!

😠 That's pretty annoying. If I was in the market for one and I got a V1, it would be going straight back. I'd be telling the retailer to make sure I got the revised version or don't bother sending it. If they refused then I would try another retailer until one agreed.

 

Returns are the absolute bain of any retailers existance, so I can't imagine they would have too many arguments with the amount of revenue these things actually generate.

 

Unless of course, Armma starts providing the upgrade pack FOC, which seems pretty unlikely.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Paul Busby

I'm making an assumption, but by that FB posts it appears the chap who bought the K8 assumed he was getting the flawed version so i'd be waiting a good 6-12months to make sure the old stock has filtered through the system.

 

I remember when the other lot (don't want to start fights )  offered an 8s upgrade kit for £300 to fix the weak diffs and smokey ESC's. It should've been free since that's an admission that there's a flaw. Not sure how well that sold but most just sold up and waited for the proper 8s model to come out. 

 

If Arrma offer an upgrade pack for free i'd be very surprised! Maybe they should at least offer it cheap at a subsidised price if you can provide proof of purchase on a "V1"?

Edited February 27, 2020 by J.K

Also, it'd be interesting to see if Vas can convince Arrma to send him one of the upgraded ones after he slated it so hard. 

2 minutes ago, J.K said:

I'm making an assumption, but by that FB posts it appears the chap who bought the K8 assumed he was getting the flawed version so i'd be waiting a good 6-12months to make sure the old stock has filtered through the system.

 

I remember when the other lot (don't want to start fights )  offered an 8s upgrade kit for £300 to fix the weak diffs and smokey ESC's. It should've been free since that's an admission that there's a flaw. Not sure how well that sold but most just sold up and waited for the proper 8s model to come out. 

 

If Arrma offer an upgrade pack for free i'd be very surprised! Maybe they should at least offer it cheap at a subsidised price if you can provide proof of purchase on a "V1"?

I actually haven't seen anyone mention how much the upgrade costs for this. I wonder if they are taking RMA's for chassis that bent due to inefficient bracing (which the fixes suggest are what they see as the issue)?

 

Guess we will  just have to see how they handle it. I would expect those parts to be considerably less than £300 though, at the very least existing owners should have a considerable discount, like you say.

19 minutes ago, J.K said:

Also, it'd be interesting to see if Vas can convince Arrma to send him one of the upgraded ones after he slated it so hard. 

 

To be fair to him, he wasn't rude, just called it out in a gentle manner. However, as the source of the leak, he couldn't really go too hard on them!

17 hours ago, Tug said:

 

To be fair to him, he wasn't rude, just called it out in a gentle manner. However, as the source of the leak, he couldn't really go too hard on them!

I'm arguing with him on that facebook post as he seems to be defending the idea that this is a run of the mill version "upgrade" rather than a fix. Product has been out a few months, he put out a massive rant about how it basically broke under it's own weight, and he's defending the idea owners should give Arrma more money to fix it? Doesn't sit right with me.

 

I'm not naive, I dont think Arrma will provide the parts FOC, however as consumers, I think we should ALL be on the same side in that they should, and we shouldn't really care about how it affects their financials... which is genuinely an argument he has made.

 

Starting to really not like this guy at all.

2 hours ago, Paul Busby said:

I'm arguing with him on that facebook post as he seems to be defending the idea that this is a run of the mill version "upgrade" rather than a fix. Product has been out a few months, he put out a massive rant about how it basically broke under it's own weight, and he's defending the idea owners should give Arrma more money to fix it? Doesn't sit right with me.

 

I'm not naive, I dont think Arrma will provide the parts FOC, however as consumers, I think we should ALL be on the same side in that they should, and we shouldn't really care about how it affects their financials... which is genuinely an argument he has made.

 

Starting to really not like this guy at all.

 

You can bet that Arrma will simply state that it's user error, pushed beyond design limits by the owners. That way they can charge. With Traxxas and the V1 X-Maxx, they couldn't blame the flames on anyone but themselves. 

 

As for Vas, hard to judge anyone unless you engage in a one to one convo, which I've not had. If he's defending Arrma, it'll be face-saving after the leak thing.