in my eyes, the bigger packs like 8000mah and 10000mah even with a 30C minimum is more than ample for most esc's. Its when you get a 5000mah pack with a 20-30C rating, its borderline. The packs are running balls out just to keep the esc happy especially under a heavy load as most people run their big RC's offroad so you will get spikes causing the packs to fail. Someone needs to run an ammeter across their packs to see exactly how much true ampage their packs are putting out. Also, a pack still has some juice left in it after a run so if its only taking 90% of its rating after charging, its about right. Ive had Zippy and Turnigy packs borderline on arrival and even dead cells, its the chance you take with Chinese QC.