Mark,maybe next weekend we can all make it? Hopefully i'll have the Kyosho ST-R conversion complete,been soldering all afternoon,deans,6mm bullets,blah,blah.Bobby,pay no attention to the simulator,been there,done it Had a good few years on Heli's (still have a few),sounds crazy but the best way to learn is on the larger scale Heli's.I went through all the smaller scale outdoor stuff (waste of money) until i joined a local flying club and bought a Thunder Tiger Raptor V2,awesome Heli for beginners and for the experts within the hobby.I've seen these things doing some ridiculous 3D in the hands of a 72 year old experienced club member and you can grab a bargain on Ebay,my initial outlay was