Totally agree with peoples preconceptions, i myself started off with Acme Condor and grad moved through the range, as a starting model they're alright, unfortunatly as a newby u do tend to smash em up more, then hence the brand gets a bad name,not the driver lol, for the price u shouldn't grumble,n the spares were cheap 2, i got mates wiv the best of the best n they still smash em up as they push them to there limits n jump them like u wouldnt believe!!! then say that they're crap!!! and i'm talking Traxxas, Hpi so it's best to remember all models have there limits, depending on the driver lol