yes i have alredy done the which truggy thread to choose from aswell. all the cars have their good and bad points, the hyper 7 or 8 is quick turning, fairly fast and fairly tough. the Savage X 4.6 is really tough, fairly fast, but does not trun well and is no the easiest to work on. the truggies like hyper ST and LSP RTR, yes they are fairly tough, but they also lack in the speed department.