Hi thanks for the info crazyfrog it's nice to know that about the HPI Trophy's although I ended up getting an Ansmann Virus 2.0 nitro for a good deal in the end, I like the looks of it and have read good things so I thought ill give it ago, it's a project to me as it could do with scrubbing up and some new parts, I like fixer uppers and I'm still learning nitro so this was ideal for me.