SCX10 III Owners Thread / Should I buy a SCX10 III ??

[BashingBrian]

EDIT: I have changed the title of this thread,

It would be good if everybody added there tips and tricks to this thread so everyone can find all relevant info's in one place ..👍🏼 Feel free to add whatever you what, this is isn't my build thread..😁

 

Hi,

 

So this crawler thing is all brand new to me, I've seen all you guys on here with them and I love all that scale realism and wot not..

 

I've been watching all the newly realised vids for the SCX10iii and to me it looks amazing, I've heard a lot of people say "oh no, not another Jeep" and "not very realistic to have portals" but to me that's one of the bonus's.

Never really thought about buying one before but I love to build things and tinker around, building that transmission looks like loads of fun..!!😉

 

Only problem for me is, have I just got hooked because of the situation were all in at the moment or do I truly want it..??

My background of RC's is mainly Bashing Arrma's but as I said before I love to tinker. ( I have some woods locally to me, so I've got the terrain for a crawler )

 

I can afford the truck now, but a motor and esc would have to wait a couple of weeks also I've no idea where to begin with an esc/motor for a crawler.??

I have plenty of 2s Lipo's which I believe would suit this truck.?? I also have a DX5c and a spare 20kg servo knocking around somewhere.

Any help or advice would be great..👍🏼

 

So come on guys help me decide..

Thx in advance

 

 

Edited April 11, 2020 by BashingBrian

[.AJ.]

Simple answer Yes! If you like to tinker then a crawler/scaler is perfect, there’s so much you can customise, the list of things is endless 😂 

[Oh How Original]

Honestly, if you are new to crawling, then portals won't really mean anything much to you, because you will need to learn to drive a crawler like you've never driven an RC before.

To get the very latest newest model, IMO would be probably be a bit unnecessary.

You will be stuck with that one shell (which if you like it is fine I suppose) and if you don't get into crawling, you're going to lose a fair bit selling it on in used condition, especially since a lot of post offices are closed and people buying them new aren't going to want a second hand one.

If you really want portals, perhaps wait for a second hand one to pop up, or look at the TRX4 (never thought I'd ever say that)

If it were me, I would buy the Element Enduro kit, it doesn't have portals but it's such a brilliant performing truck, you can choose your own bodyshell, wheels and tyres and have more than enough money left over to buy a motor and ESC right away.

For motor and ESC choice, I'd vote for this combo for 2s running.

 

https://www.red-winches.com/products/crawlmaster-sport-540-13t/315/

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hobbywing-QuicRun-1080-WP-80AMP-Waterproof-Brushed-Crawler-ESC-HW30112750/163327125710?epid=2254448434&hash=item26070e28ce:g:oLsAAOSw8m5bzImK

 

You might find the ESC slightly cheaper but that's just the first search result and it's well worth the money.

All that being said, if you really like the shell and portals and don't mind waiting for the elecs etc... Then go for it, I am an Axial fan and they also do the raw builders kit, but IMO having had both, I'd say the Enduro is the best raw kit you can buy right now, with all metal gears, adjustable wheelbase included in the box, two battery trays to suit everyone and the overdrive options, it's brilliant.

[Lone-wolf]

7 minutes ago, Oh How Original said:

Honestly, if you are new to crawling, then portals won't really mean anything much to you, because you will need to learn to drive a crawler like you've never driven an RC before.

To get the very latest newest model, IMO would be probably be a bit unnecessary.

You will be stuck with that one shell (which if you like it is fine I suppose) and if you don't get into crawling, you're going to lose a fair bit selling it on in used condition, especially since a lot of post offices are closed and people buying them new aren't going to want a second hand one.

If you really want portals, perhaps wait for a second hand one to pop up, or look at the TRX4 (never thought I'd ever say that)

If it were me, I would buy the Element Enduro kit, it doesn't have portals but it's such a brilliant performing truck, you can choose your own bodyshell, wheels and tyres and have more than enough money left over to buy a motor and ESC right away.

For motor and ESC choice, I'd vote for this combo for 2s running.

 

https://www.red-winches.com/products/crawlmaster-sport-540-13t/315/

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hobbywing-QuicRun-1080-WP-80AMP-Waterproof-Brushed-Crawler-ESC-HW30112750/163327125710?epid=2254448434&hash=item26070e28ce:g:oLsAAOSw8m5bzImK

 

You might find the ESC slightly cheaper but that's just the first search result and it's well worth the money.

All that being said, if you really like the shell and portals and don't mind waiting for the elecs etc... Then go for it, I am an Axial fan and they also do the raw builders kit, but IMO having had both, I'd say the Enduro is the best raw kit you can buy right now, with all metal gears, adjustable wheelbase included in the box, two battery trays to suit everyone and the overdrive options, it's brilliant.

I am with Oh how original on this but for me the main reason is i just dont like Axial and dont like Horizon hobby stuff, also this new scx has no appeal to me one bit......i have heard only good things about the element enduro kit. Just a thought but if you really fancy portals and a fairly big build there is the Tamiya dynahead, not so much a crawler more a trial rig, and a bit of a marmite....love it or hate it

[monkeyboy_uk]

The SCX10 iii looks impressive. It does seem more capable than most non portal crawlers.

 

My TRX4 certainly makes light work of the terrain I have locally.

 

Here's the thing though, my original SCX10 with its huge diff pumpkins, is more satisfying to drive. It's more of a challenge to find the right lines and get it over the next obstacle.

 

I really like the TRX4 and I think I would like the SCX10 iii too, but I also enjoy a driving challenge.

 

@Oh How Original is spot on with his electronics suggestions.

[stretch]

I've been watching the reviews as well and it looks good but not enough to warrant me replacing my trx4 sport. If you want to test the water first for cheaper (as trailing,/crawling is totally different from bashing) check out the carisma range.

[Lone-wolf]

26 minutes ago, stretch said:

I've been watching the reviews as well and it looks good but not enough to warrant me replacing my trx4 sport. If you want to test the water first for cheaper (as trailing,/crawling is totally different from bashing) check out the carisma range.

Coyote is an excellent builders rig and it can grow with the owners skills, i have been pestering Carisma scale adventure to bring out the F150 as a builders kit, i hear it may wel happen, i will jump at that

[Oh How Original]

19 minutes ago, Jack Reacher said:

Coyote is an excellent builders rig and it can grow with the owners skills, i have been pestering Carisma scale adventure to bring out the F150 as a builders kit, i hear it may wel happen, i will jump at that

 

Ivan does listen to his customers, so you might see it.

[Lone-wolf]

1 minute ago, Oh How Original said:

 

Ivan does listen to his customers, so you might see it.

Yes he does, great guy like when they brought out the F150 RTR in orange, i was like "please any colour but orange, blue would be great", low an behold Blue/cream appeared

[BashingBrian]

Thanks for all your advice etc, I took it all onboard and then went and ignored it all and bought a SCX10iii anyway 😉

 

I will be on here asking for tips and info's as I'm a total noob when it comes to crawlers/scale etc

 

Got my eye on one of these Hobbywing Combo-XERUN-AXE540 no idea what Kv one I would need though..!! or something Castle 🤔

 

What about if I run 3s, has anyone got any suggestions for esc/motor etc

 

More importantly though I need to choose a color to paint it..!!🤣

Edited April 5, 2020 by BashingBrian

[Pistonhead]

43 minutes ago, BashingBrian said:

Thanks for all your advice etc, I took it all onboard and then went and ignored it all and bought a SCX10iii anyway 😉

 

I will be on here asking for tips and info's as I'm a total noob when it comes to crawlers/scale etc

 

Got my eye on one of these Hobbywing Combo-XERUN-AXE540 no idea what Kv one I would need though..!! or something Castle 🤔

 

What about if I run 3s, has anyone got any suggestions for esc/motor etc

 

More importantly though I need to choose a color to paint it..!!🤣

If you don’t mind a bit of electronics noise, then the Holmes Revolvers are amazing for the money, especially when paired with a Castle Sidewinder 4, i’m running an 1800kv snub-nose in my Trail King on 3s and it’s a thing of beauty to drive, plus it’s a cheaper combo with arguably better performance 👍

[BashingBrian]

Been looking around after @Oh How Original pointed me in the direction of https://www.red-winches.com/products/crawlmaster-sport-540-13t/315/

 

I saw this one too  https://www.red-winches.com/products/crawlmaster-sport-550-15t/319/

 

I understand Kv in my bashers etc but is it the same principle in a crawler.??

 

Have ordered the HW QuicRun 1080 WP 80AMP Crawler ESC as a standby as everything else is out of stock 😩

 

Which of the above motors on 3s would work better.?

 

 

 

[stimpy]

Congratulations on your purchase! Looks to be an excellent kit. 
 

I personally prefer crawling to trailing. This is where your motor decision ultimately will hinge. 
 

I generally run the Holmes Crawlmaster Pro 540 motors in a 16 or 20t flavour for my applications and have found them to have the best low end resolution.  That is with 3S, and two of them are on RC4WD Trailfinder base chassis which aren’t known for their lightness ( though naturally mine are not standard!)
 

If I understand it correctly, the 550 cans offer more torque.  
 

As to ESCs , you can’t go wrong with a 1080 - I have 2 of these. There are definitely ‘better’ escs with regards ultimate control but for the money they are hard to beat.

 

And as to if you prefer trailing, then you would generally use a lower turn motor, so a 13 or 15t in 5 slot or 27 /30/35 ish in regular motors. Holmes do a Trailmaster range which by all accounts are very good. 

Also, don’t forget that you always have a bit of flexibility with varying pinion sizes... 

[Pistonhead]

You’ll also get different versions of what people call trailing and crawling.

 

My take on this is, RC4WD or anything with a hard body and/or with smaller wheels fall into the strictly trailing category, as they’re generally less capable of taking on rougher terrain  without getting stuck or risking body damage and are happiest on easy going walking trails.

 

Trucks like any of the SCX10s, TRX4s, Trail King etc are generally classed as crawlers down to their lexan bodies and larger wheels/tyres. These trucks, while still maintaining a scale appearance, will more or less able to drive over pretty much whatever you point them at with the right choice line.

 

To me, the latter is also a trail truck, i take mine out on walks with terrain ranging from farm tracks and public footpaths to heavily washed out sections of bridle ways and coastal paths that are littered with rocks and gullies. I rarely have to pick the truck up to carry it over rougher sections as the truck will generally be able to negotiate all but the roughest bits, steps or stiles.

 

 

 

 

[Oh How Original]

12 hours ago, BashingBrian said:

Been looking around after @Oh How Original pointed me in the direction of https://www.red-winches.com/products/crawlmaster-sport-540-13t/315/

 

I saw this one too  https://www.red-winches.com/products/crawlmaster-sport-550-15t/319/

 

I understand Kv in my bashers etc but is it the same principle in a crawler.??

 

Have ordered the HW QuicRun 1080 WP 80AMP Crawler ESC as a standby as everything else is out of stock 😩

 

Which of the above motors on 3s would work better.?

 

 

 

 

Very similar in brushed motors, but it's generally done in turns, not kv.

So, I will try and explain it basically, because to be honest I don't claim to be any kind of expert.

Simply put, brushed motors come in 3 slot or 5 slot, this is the amount of slots in the stator magnets, where the copper wire is wound round.

A 3 slot is fine for most and will do for many applications, the turns are also a bit truer to what people are used to.

For example, a 27t 3 slot from Holmes Hobbies will be about the same speed as a 27t from RC4WD, Axial etc... I say 'about' because they are much better quality, with stronger magnets, so you might see 1-2 turn difference.

A 5 slot however will be slower, but have a lot more torque and a lot more low down control.

From memory, a 16t 5 slot is roughly the same speed as a 27t 3 slot.

To add to this, you've got the difference between 540 and 550 (in the 10th scale range)

A 550 is very slightly longer, with longer internals, thus giving you more torque at the cost of speed, so a 21t 550 is roughly the same as a 27-35t 540, depending on which brand you go with.

A lot of it is down to ESC also, the 1080 is very very good, very nicely programmable and if you follow the video below, you'll find excellent results.

I would go with the Crawlmaster 540 I previously recommended, if down the line you find you want less wheelspeed and more torque, switch to the 550 version or maybe the Expert or Pro version.

Something else, don't get caught up in the debate about less turns equals more torque, it doesn't, it equals less speed, which gives the illusion of more torque due to better throttle control.

Hope this helps.

 

 

[Pistonhead]

I’d also check out the Holmes Hobby YouTube channel, presented by John Holmes himself.

 

Here’s a playlist from his channel specific to brushed and brushless motors.

 

 

[BashingBrian]

@Oh How Original @Pistonhead Thanks for the vid's

 

I have since bought the 540 13T that you posted in the first link 👍🏼 I spoke with Red Winches today and he explained pretty much what you said.

Might get the 550 15T later on if I feel I need less speed and more torque..🤔

 

For now I'm going to make a start on the build while I wait for parts to arrive, still not quite decided on a color yet either..!!

Any suggestions on a color, what would you choose..??

[Pistonhead]

Anything bright as there’s a lot of black moulded parts to contrast with.

 

Also from what I’ve read over on rccrawler, the clicking noise you can hear from the transmission in videos is the dogs on the 2 speed selector shaft, locking it in low gear with extra grease appears to quieten it down considerably 👍

[Pistonhead]

Tempted to go bright yellow for mine with a black interior, just need to find the right shade...

[Manxman]

Hello guys, I'm gonna join the discussion as I don't want to make unnecessary new topics. In short words I am hoping to buy raw builders kit soon. I am thinking about SCX10 II to build Wrangler Rubicon on it. Yes,I know this is not very innovative idea but I just love the look of Wrangler. The reason I do not want to look in TRX is a price and most of it comes with portal axles, and I want to achieve as much as possible with scale details.  Now, I found also that people building on Xtra Speed kits but I cannot see much of a difference. Anybody could please advise what are the general differences between them two and which would be better? 

[monkeyboy_uk]

I assume you're looking at the Xtra Speed XS01? If so it looks ok, but you are limited to buying spares from RCMart. It is mostly metal so you gain fair bit of weight. More likely to break something if you take a tumble. I've seen someone on Youtube break the rear body mount just with it falling off a table and then struggle to get a replacement.

 

You're always going to have better part support with an Axial.

 

This owners thread is probably a better place for your questions as you've posted this in a SCX10 III thread.

 

 

 

[Manxman]

1 hour ago, monkeyboy_uk said:

I assume you're looking at the Xtra Speed XS01? If so it looks ok, but you are limited to buying spares from RCMart. It is mostly metal so you gain fair bit of weight. More likely to break something if you take a tumble. I've seen someone on Youtube break the rear body mount just with it falling off a table and then struggle to get a replacement.

 

You're always going to have better part support with an Axial.

 

This owners thread is probably a better place for your questions as you've posted this in a SCX10 III thread.

 

1 hour ago, monkeyboy_uk said:

 

Thank you very much for clarifying this for me. It is going to be SCX10 II as long as I'm going to survive till next payday 🙂

 

 

[BashingBrian]

6 hours ago, Pistonhead said:

Tempted to go bright yellow for mine with a black interior, just need to find the right shade...

 

I have some colors in mind, and funnily enough one of them was yellow...🤣

I'll post a pic when I've decided..👍🏼

[Pistonhead]

21 hours ago, BashingBrian said:

 

I have some colors in mind, and funnily enough one of them was yellow...🤣

I'll post a pic when I've decided..👍🏼

You doing a build thread?

[BashingBrian]

I doubt it, but will post some pic's as I go..👍🏼

Edited April 8, 2020 by BashingBrian