Shumacher lc racing EMB-1

[Ag100]

14 minutes ago, silone74 said:

And Wltoys make a lwb buggy to go along with their 144001 buggy .

 

Yes, looks good value to be fair, Ricky from Beyondrc has just got one

[Skynet5]

What is a good motor and ESC for the truggy? Anyone recommend an in-stock option from modelsport?

[Alex97]

Hobbywing 60a ESC (£35) and a racestar 2845 motor from bangood (£11)

 

Good solid combo. 

[Ag100]

Got a Puretech Products Extreme Quick Mount to mount the battery better in the EMB-1, used the existing holders to make sure it couldn’t slip into the drive shaft, holds it nice and tight and is quicker to change than my last solution. 

[Jay_85]

Hi folks. Happy new year to you all. Ive been looking at the lc line up for ages and its time for a new toy 🙂 ive got 3 GTBs and a gt10dt modded to take a 2845. Plus 1/10s etc. They are all great but fancy im a big fan of the mini sized cars and so want one of these also. I only run off, road rough grass and in the woods. I havnt settled on which model to go for yet but would like to know a couple of things if you can please? 

How does the lwb mid vs rear motor layout compare handling wise. And how does the 2938 tenshock, 2850 lc motor and 2845 racestar type compare? I have the 2845 as my reference but is it worth waiting for the 2850 kits to come back in stock or go for the tenshock? Im realy looking for torque. My 2845 is 4370kv i think and its plenty fast enough and has good torque/punch. So would i notice an improvement with a 2850 lc or tenshock? 

 

Thanks all. 

[Ag100]

10 minutes ago, Jay_85 said:

Hi folks. Happy new year to you all. Ive been looking at the lc line up for ages and its time for a new toy 🙂 ive got 3 GTBs and a gt10dt modded to take a 2845. Plus 1/10s etc. They are all great but fancy im a big fan of the mini sized cars and so want one of these also. I only run off, road rough grass and in the woods. I havnt settled on which model to go for yet but would like to know a couple of things if you can please? 

How does the lwb mid vs rear motor layout compare handling wise. And how does the 2938 tenshock, 2850 lc motor and 2845 racestar type compare? I have the 2845 as my reference but is it worth waiting for the 2850 kits to come back in stock or go for the tenshock? Im realy looking for torque. My 2845 is 4370kv i think and its plenty fast enough and has good torque/punch. So would i notice an improvement with a 2850 lc or tenshock? 

 

Thanks all. 

Hi @Jay_85I run the LC Racing EMB1 buggy, from what I have read the LWB handles better, as for the motors, I’ve only run the tenshocks so can’t really compare, but they seem smooth and powerful enough to me, I currently run the 6150kv.

A few guys on here have run the leopards and the Surpass too, so I’m sure you will get plenty of info.

[Jay_85]

Thanks ag. Just a heads up the leopard 2838 is 15% on the sweedish website.

 

https://www.kullagergrossisten.se/product/borstlos-motor--4-pol--5160v--1-14-1-16--3-17mm-axel--leopard

[Ag100]

22 minutes ago, Jay_85 said:

Thanks ag. Just a heads up the leopard 2838 is 15% on the sweedish website.

 

https://www.kullagergrossisten.se/product/borstlos-motor--4-pol--5160v--1-14-1-16--3-17mm-axel--leopard

Thanks, I had seen that, I think someone posted it before on here?, I still have a new spare Tenshock 4850.

[Jay_85]

Yeh i found the link a few pages back and thought id shre it on sale in case anyone is in the market as its on sale

[Rebel158]

Morning Chaps - I'm currently in the process of reviving my trusty, and nicely spec'd Team Associated SC10 4x4 and converting it into more of a basher (currently sat in pieces awaiting diff rebuilds, new motor, esc etc) but I digress...  I've always wanted something a little more compact and solid for general bashing duties, and which I can run at my local park without attracting the wrath of our prize dog owners and vegan buttermilk coffee slurping mummies. To be fair the dogs love chasing the car, as do the kids, but hey, I'd rather an easy life than telling people to do one and being branded a social pariah 😂

 

It was at the same park last weekend that I met a chap bashing this minute truggy, it was charging up mud ramps (the park has a small nature trail) flipping, tumbling, cart wheeling and coming back for more. After chewing his ear off and discovering that it was an LC Racing EMB1-T I was sold and had to have one!

 

I've been in contact with Darren at DMS Racing and they're currently out of stock (apparently they have a consignment stuck in customs, and expected any day) so I'm preparing my build list. I'ver decided to go all in and go for the EMB-TGH PRO - kit (Includes 60a ESC, Motor and Servo) and would really appreciate some guidance on the accepted best 'all-round' of the following please. The car will mainly be used on a mix of road, gravel, short grass etc:

 

Front and rear diff fluid weight/viscosity?

Front and rear shock fluid weight/viscosity?

Maximum battery size that can be fitted (length, height, width)?

Is grease required? If so what type?

Antyhing else that might be required to complete the build (apart from paint for the shell)

 

Cheers in advance 👍

[Ag100]

I have the EMB-1H Buggy, so I think a shorter chassis than the Truggy?.

 

diff oil, up to you really, but I run 5k in both front and back, and had been fine for general driving, though I may use 10k when I next rebuild them, I used some Liqui Molly black grease in the gearbox on the pinions.

battery's, if you go up a few posts I linked to a few that fit.

shock oil, I used 40wt rear and 35wt front, again seems ok to me, but you may want to experiment.

other things for the build, some thread lock and some decent Hex drivers as the screws are very small.

[Rebel158]

Hi chaps, so following some awesome advice from @Ag100 on the Shumacher thread, and Darren at DMS racing,  I've placed an order with DMS for the EMB-TGH PRO kit (truggy) which includes a 60a Hobbywing ESC, 2850 4500kv motor and servo, along with a selection of fluids and greases, and a Phat Bodies K2 bodyshell (truggy sized version of the 'Kaboom' model)

 

I reasoned that the kit was better value over the standard kit or ARR/RTR versions as it includes higher spec'd shocks, a carbon fibre upper deck, additional shock springs, the 60a esc and some other bits n bobs. If I were to price  this separatly using the basic kit, or ARR/RTR versions the ESC alone would take me over the price of the kit. Ordering the additional bodyshell was also a good idea as this saves on the usual £5 shipping.

 

I also placed an order via HobbyKing for a 2s and 3s lipo pack, along with a Turnigy GT5 wheel radio, and some XT60 connectors (for the esc to battery)

 

Paint wise, I'll remain quiet for now, but I plan to spray both shells different colours.

 

So, my wallet has taken an unplanned beating, I've never built a kit before, I've never sprayed a body shell, and my sodering skills are... so so... What could possibly go wrong?! Well, I have some time to read up / watch YouTube vids in preparation for the above as Darren advises me that he has a consignment stuck in customs, so no idea when the kit will arrive...

[Rebel158]

So, I received an email from DMS Racing last night, and it has arrived! I was expecting a wait of a good few weeks after having heard of the enormous customs backlog, so this was a very pleasant surprise. I'm fairly local to DMS so have arranged to collect from the store this afternoon! 

 

In the meantime, can anyone recommend a reasonably priced premounted wheel/tyre combo? I plan to use it mainly for light bashing duties and wanted something a little more 'rugged' in terms of performance and admittedly appearance than the standard truggy setup. It'll mainly be used on short grass, and off road (a little on road use too) I had thought about perhaps trying LC's own SCT or MT premounted wheels. Is that an option? Also, would they bolt straight on without spacing? 

 

I assume gearing wouldn't be an issue with the MT wheels/tyres as the Truggy and MT gearing, electrics, and motor appear to be identical (although the version I have includes the 60a esc) 

[Ag100]

7 minutes ago, Rebel158 said:

So, I received an email from DMS Racing last night, and it has arrived! I was expecting a wait of a good few weeks after having heard of the enormous customs backlog, so this was a very pleasant surprise. I'm fairly local to DMS so have arranged to collect from the store this afternoon! 

 

In the meantime, can anyone recommend a reasonably priced premounted wheel/tyre combo? I plan to use it mainly for light bashing duties and wanted something a little more 'rugged' in terms of performance and admittedly appearance than the standard truggy setup. It'll mainly be used on short grass, and off road (a little on road use too) I had thought about perhaps trying LC's own SCT or MT premounted wheels. Is that an option? Also, would they bolt straight on without spacing? 

 

I assume gearing wouldn't be an issue with the MT wheels/tyres as the Truggy and MT gearing, electrics, and motor appear to be identical (although the version I have includes the 60a esc) 

I’m not sure on the size of the Truggy wheels, the best ones I’ve used on my Buggy are the Fastrax Rally Blocks

https://www.fastrax-rc.com/index.php?_route_=fastrax-rally-block-blue-tyre-set-4-wmoulded-inserts

 

 

[Rebel158]

1 minute ago, Ag100 said:

I’m not sure on the size of the Truggy wheels, the best ones I’ve used on my Buggy are the Fastrax Rally Blocks

https://www.fastrax-rc.com/index.php?_route_=fastrax-rally-block-blue-tyre-set-4-wmoulded-inserts

 

 

Thanks mate, those look ideal, to my amateur eye anyway. From memory the wheels are all interchangeable. 

[Rebel158]

Collected the kit this afternoon as planned and to my utter disappointment there is no sign of the premised HobbyWing Waterproof 60amp esc, just the regular standard 35amp version. I've written to DMS notifying them of this (along with a pic) and asking that they send me the correct item, as advertised. Let's see what they say... For now at least the build is on hold... 

 

I also note that the Phat Bodies K2 body shell in not precut. I've never trimmed a body shell before. Any advice on what type of scissors I might need, and any tips for a clean job? 

[Alex97]

3 hours ago, Rebel158 said:

Collected the kit this afternoon as planned and to my utter disappointment there is no sign of the premised HobbyWing Waterproof 60amp esc, just the regular standard 35amp version. I've written to DMS notifying them of this (along with a pic) and asking that they send me the correct item, as advertised. Let's see what they say... For now at least the build is on hold... 

 

I also note that the Phat Bodies K2 body shell in not precut. I've never trimmed a body shell before. Any advice on what type of scissors I might need, and any tips for a clean job? 

Darren will get it sorted, I would carry on building. 

 

That's standard for shells, curved scissors are best.

 

[Rebel158]

31 minutes ago, Alex97 said:

Darren will get it sorted, I would carry on building. 

 

That's standard for shells, curved scissors are best.

 

 

Thanks Alex. I think I'll wait, just in case. I've been bitten by this sort of thing before. 

 

Re the shell, the one included in the kit appears to be precut... 

[Alex97]

23 minutes ago, Rebel158 said:

 

Thanks Alex. I think I'll wait, just in case. I've been bitten by this sort of thing before. 

 

Re the shell, the one included in the kit appears to be precut... 

Some kit ones are but mainly they all uncut.

[champ222]

Hi All

 

Ive just been through the entire thread over the last few days.

 

So i looked at these a while ago, when i was looking for a kit to build. In the end i opted for an Ansmann 1:10 2wd truggy as it was only £70. fitted it with a hobbywing max 10, and its a cool little truck.

 

No i'm back looking for another model to build. The build part is key for me, so its buggy, truggy or the LC12-B1.

 

Originally i wanted the buggy, then i thought the truggy looked better, as it generally had more ground clearance and bigger wheels, which makes it a bit more versatile. Then i saw the monster truck version in a few youtube videos, and it looks awesome!

 

The Monster truck doesnt come as a kit, but i could get the buggy, get the MT wheels, bumpers, body and body mounts, and convert it no problem. I like how, with largely the same kit, you could drop it low, put some foam wheels on with the Mini or escort body, run it on 3s for some mental speed runs on the cheap. then convert to a monster truck, 2s (presumably 3s would be a bit much with the bigger wheels, since the gearing is the same)

 

Could someone measure the width and diameter of the monster truck wheels for me??

 

I guess i could get the truggy, which i could convert to a long wheelbase buggy, or a longer wheelbase Monster truck, tho there isnt a LWB monster truck body is there?  -- If i did this, the LC12-B1 option would allow me to do the same thing too wouldnt it? i'd just be starting with the buggy, and mod to a truggy or MT.

 

does the LC12-B1 offer any advantages over the LWB chassis, running as a buggy? or both running as a truggy etc. cost wise there would be little in it.

 

I'm waiting to hear from DMS as to whether they will be getting the unassembled kits with just the servo, or only the "pro" kits with the ESC and motor too. If i have to buy the pro kit, then that might swing me to the truggy as it has the bigger motor (is it the same red 4500kv motor, just a bit longer?) and the 60A esc.

 

@Rebel158 Let me know the outcome of the 60A Esc issue, also, which motor did you get in the kit? could you put some photos up of the motor?

 

costs do quickly spiral with these things, the truggy pro kit is £205! the EMB kit on its own would be £120, there are some cheaper motors mentioned above which would be ideal, and i'd probably go with a hobbywing 60A (its a shame the MAX10 60A combo doesnt fit, the motor would be far too big). A proper hobbywing branded esc will always have some retail value.  the pro kit, with the esc and motor bundled in is £185. The LC12-B1 is £190 in pro kit form. 

 

Thanks Guys

[Rebel158]

Morning @champ222I went through pretty much the same thought process as you, and  I also had a couple of conversations with Darren. 

 

To answer your question on the motor, it is indeed the 2850 4500kv unit as pictured (apologies, not a great pic, but I'm reluctant to open any sealed packaging in case it needs to go back)

 

The kit itself looks fairly decent (I'm an amateur however, and this is my first kit) I can't answer your questions on the LC12 platform, but I think the included components are more or less the same (except theLC12  kit mentionx a 35a esc) Both the LC12 and the 1/14 Pro truggy kit come with a carbon upper deck and an assortment of pinions. The LC12 mentions a Tenshock motor, but no other detail, and it also mentions a mid-motor/slipper clutch setup. The 1/14 also has an assortment of shock springs with different spring rates.

 

I think there's a little give and take between the two, and for me I would be concerned that the LC12 is closer to a 1/10 car, in size and weight  (I wanted a compact basher that I could chuck in a small backpack)

 

I saw the MT version on a YouTube vid along side the truggy and it looked a little 'comedy' to me. Not sure if that's a consideration. 

 

There's also the option of buying the buggy, and the truggy conversion kit for an additional £40 (see link below, they do 2 kits  one with a painted shell, the other unpainted) This allows you to flip between the two. I decided I wanted the truggy platform, and to try to minimise costs. I can't really see myself converting back and forth. 

 

https://www.dms-racing.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=38124&virtuemart_category_id=774

 

On the subject of the elusive 60a esc. From a little research  these appear to be identical to the Hobbywing Ezrun Max10 60a. Although I'm not sure they have exactly the same markings, so not strictly speaking Hobbywing 'official retail'. Looking at pics online of the LC Racing item, it appears to be missing the motor temperature cable that the oem version offers. Presumably because the LC motors don't have that option (not a deal breaker for me)

 

One final note, Darren did mention during both of our conversations that 'China' sometimes swap an item if they're out of stock on the standard kit version, but always for a more superior item, never a lesser specd item, and that he had seen this with both motors and lipo battery packs (RTR versions) He felt that this set a dangerous precedent as whilst it might be a pleasant surprise to receive a free upgrade, it can also set an unrealistic expectation... It was Darren's advice that swayed my decision to opt for the Pro kit, but in my case, no such luck on the upgrade 😉

 

I have a feeling that the kit price may have increased since last year. In my original post I mentioned that I had met a chap in my local park bashing the EMB Truggy. He told me that he had paid £165 for the kit and that it had the 60a esc. I'm not sure if he upgraded the esc himself, or whether it was included with the kit however. If it has gone up then that's quite a margin! For me, the kit with the 60a Ezrun esc is the maximum I would want to pay. If it does transpire that LC racing have boosted the price and dropped the spec I'm out.

 

Hope that helps you in some way, and I would also recommend a chat with Darren. Very pleasant and helpful chap! 

 

[champ222]

Hi. Thanks for that. Yeah ive seen the conversion kits. It makes more sense to me to switch between the buggy and the monster truck as they use the same chassis.

 

I know what you mean about the monster truck, usually it wouldn't appeal, but it looks proper cool in the video and this is just a but of fun and something to tinker with. I have 1:8 team associated buggy and truggy, so this is just a bit of fun really.  Not that i race any one them.

 

If i went truggy, id have a long wheel base chassis, so wouldn't then switch between that and the standard buggy.  I know what you mean about the LC12. It does look closer to a 1:10. The wheelbase is about the same as the truggy you just bought, so should make for a nice truggy conversion. 

 

All the kits and brushless models seem to come with the same 35A esc and the same motor. Except the truggy, which may have the 60A esc and has a slightly longer motor at the same kv. The LC12 has a different motor again, but the same 35A esc i think 

 

The price difference (DMS) between the kit with just the servo and the kit with the the esc and motor varys by model, and its cheaper to source your own esc and motor. The difference is biggest on the truggy, so you should be getting a bigger esc to justify the extra cost really. There is only stock of the full kits though, so i may be forced that way.

 

I could by a used one, strip it down and put it back together, but somehow that doesn't seem as nice as building a new kit. 

[Rebel158]

No problem. The MT and Truggy are probably the better options as they both have more space beneath the body shell to accommodate the larger 60a esc. I think on the buggy you have to find a more compact esc and remove the fan also. So if we're doing things 'properly' it might require 2 escs... (smaller for the buggy, larger for the truggy)

Edited February 28, 2021 by Rebel158

[champ222]

There are some aftermarket buggy shells that provide more room than the stock one, better quality too i think.

[champ222]

@Rebel158 Any update from DMS about the esc?