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#1 Slugsie

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:02 PM

OK, so I got a set of HPI Ground Assault tyres for my Savage XS
http://www.modelspor...-products/27437

As these are going to be used in my XS with 3S batteries, and thus plenty of potential to run at over 50mph I figured they would need taping. Something that I confirmed by a quick bench test of them (unglued) on just a 7.2v nimh, they ballooned quite a lot.

The problem is that they have a ribbed internal surface which would mean that taping them wouldn't be very effective as there is not enough surface to for the tape to bond to. A quick discussion in the forums lead to the idea of using Shoe Goo instead of tape.

I thought it over, and figured what the hell, I'll give it a go. I couldn't find any info on anyone else doing it, so I figured I'd share what I did with the forum to help others.

DISCLAIMER
If you end up ruining your nice expensive tyres it's your own fault. You don't have to do this, so if you do you accept all responsibility for the result.

Read all the way through and fully understand what you need to do before beginning.

What you will need is:
Tyres, and their foam inserts (obviously)
Shoe Goo. I got mine off eBay for about £6. I ended up using a bit more than half a tube.
Gaffa/Duct/duck/Gorilla tape. Enough to go round each tyre about 1.25 times. I know there is much debate about which type is best for taping tyres. In this case it's not really relevant and you can use whichever type you have at hand.
A cardboard tube from the inside of a roll of kitchen towel or similar.
A cardboard box that is a bit narrower than the tube.

To begin with cut a V groove in each end of the cardboard box, deep enough that the tube will sit comfortably in it. Put a tyre over the tube, and sit it in the box.
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Doing this helps to hold everything in place when you start handling the gooey stuff, and also catches it if/when it drips. Next you need to prepare some strips of gaffa tape. I found that standard strips were too wide for these tyres so I trimmed them down to 3/4 width. They need to be long enough to go at least 1.25 times round each tyre.

You're now ready to goo up a tyre. I found that it's best to do one tyre at a time start to finish. You need to be reasonably quick because the goo is quite runny when you first apply it, and if you hang around it will just run to the bottom and drip off. Apply a bead all the way round the middle of the tyre. It needs to be generous enough to fill in the cells between the ribs, but not so much that it just goes everywhere.
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Now, grab a length of gaffa tape and tape it round the tyre. Pay attention to keep it as central as possible, and as tight to the tyre as possible. Once it is all the way round take a moment to make sure it's lined up properly.

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Now you can revert the tyre back to the normal way round, and put the tyre foam in place. You'll find that the gaffa tape wrinkles up quite a lot when you invert it, there isn't much you can do to stop that, just try and flatten it out as best you can before putting the foam in. This will help to keep the gaffa tape and goo in place until it sets up which should take an hour or so.

Final notes
Right now I haven't actually run these tyres. Obviously I will report back when I do.

From previous experience of shoe goo I expect the tyres to end up pretty firm with not much give across the centre of the tyre. As such they will probably only be of use on hard surfaces like tarmac, packed dirt, or clay. The shoulders should still give nicely so it shouldn't affect the tyres too much when cornering.  For me that is fine and exactly what I bought these tyres for. Additionally, unless you manage to apply the goo and gaffa tape very very carefully you will probably also need to balance the wheels before attempting any high speed runs. I do that anyway, so not much of an issue for me.

#2 Ziggy122

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:18 AM

considered sanding them off?
So you have a good bonding surface and allows a better antiballoning tape application


My worry will be the shoe glue will crack - unless its a rubber glue? as i've never heard of it personally
But i have a feeling the results could easily vary?

And Not across all the ribs? surly it means now just where the tape is on the sides and the tape/glue middle will stay put, but the rest wont....

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:39 AM

Consideration was given to sanding/cutting the ribs off, but I figured that whoever designed them put them there for a reason, and they almost certainly know more about tyre design than I do.

Shoe Goo (not glue) is a rubber compound. It was originally designed to repair tennis shoes, and thus needed to retain some flexibility when it has set. In RCs it's commonly used to repair and strengthen body work where a level of flexibility is also useful. I'm surprised you haven't heard of it, I found out about it from this forum and I have seen it discussed quite a few times.

The goo does spread out a bit to the outer ribs once you apply the gaffa tape. Whilst I could have gone the whole hog and spread it all the way out I figured that a nice firm band down the middle of the tyre would help to keep the shole tyre in check, and as your can see from the pics the centre section makes up almost half of the width of the tyre so it covers quite a lot.

I checked on the tyres this morning before leaving for work. They had had about 10 hours to set up, and they were still pretty flexible, a lot more than I thought they might be. Hopefully I will have time to glue them up tonight and run them over the weekend.

But hey, if it doesn't work out I'll certainly let you all know, shortly before I fork out for some new tyres. :)

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:48 AM

i pity your bearings...

i hope your gonna ballance you wheels really well before you run it... all that extra un even weight will wreak havoc on the bearings, hell... gorrilla tape is bad enough!

I wouldnt reccmend this at ALL

Horses for courses....

shoe goo for flexible body repair and holding electronics in place, gorrilla tape for belting tires...

I'm interested in seeing what this is like, but i wouldn't say it will be any good :P

hopefully you'll prove me wrong ;)

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 09:10 AM

Yea there will be alot of wheel shake

and the ribs are only a way to reduce the balloning and give some strength to it when it started to change shape

But if you remove them and secure the tyre with Gorrilla tape then the tyre wont be changing much in shape?

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 09:22 AM

Yes, I will be balancing the wheels, I do that with all my wheels, even the ones that come in the box. Some don't need any balancing, some need loads.

If it's no good then it's no good. I'll be able to remove it fairly easily I reckon and then go a more traditional route. I just figured that I would try and maintain the original integrity of the tyre first.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 09:50 PM

Well, the Shoe Goo has had 24hrs to set, and I'm quite surprised at how supple the tyres still feel, they're definitely firmer than before, but still loads of flex, so grip and contact certainly shouldn't be a problem. I've just finished glueing them all up onto the rims, and chucked one on my home made balancer, and it's looking pretty good. They probably will need a very slight bit of weight added to get them as balanced as possible, but I'd say they are at least as good as the factory supplied tyres and rims are.

Still too early to tell however if the goo has actually done it's job to stop the tyres ballooning of course. That is an exercise for me to find out at the weekend after letting the glue set fully.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 04:25 PM

i tried this on my monster tyres..tricky to tell if it worked....they split and tore along the sidewall....taping cant stop that...it was a really unsuitable tyre for brushless power really.

big joes now on...fabulous (as long as i can learn to glue properly)

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:41 PM

Finally managed to find the time to balance the wheels on my little home made balance rig. Of the 4, 1 required a lot of balancing, 2 a little, and one none at all, which is very similar to what I have found with factory glued and set wheels before now. Hopefully I'll have a chance to play out this weekend.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:45 PM

well how did you get on?  Interested to see if this worked?

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 02:24 PM

Took the XS out yesterday, and it performed like a champ. High speed runs went very well. Started off the day with a race against an FG Marder, and won - just. The tyres resisted ballooning very well, but my crappy gluing skills didn't quite last a full pack unfortunately.

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